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travis walton is a purported ufo

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abductee he's widely considered in the

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ufo community to have one of the most

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credible stories of ufo abduction though

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this is of course a contentious issue

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the incident happened in 1975 where him

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and his colleagues were working in the

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woods in arizona when a ufo came shawn

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light down terrifying everyone and

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everyone except travis managed to escape

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he was found five days later a few days

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ago i was lucky enough to host an ask me

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anything live stream with travis where i

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asked questions from the audience as

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well as soliciting questions from reddit

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for those new to this channel my name is

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kurt j mungle i'm a filmmaker with a

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background in mathematical physics

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particularly on the theoretical ends and

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i'm interested in what's called a theory

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of everything or theories of everything

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in general now that means the

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investigation into the fundamental laws

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of the universe there seems to be a

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connection there between consciousness

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free will god even and theoretical

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physics there aren't many scientists who

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are interested in exploring the ufo

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topic at least publicly unless it's to

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dismiss that they're genuine craft from

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a non-tellurian source or at least to

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lurian in the sense that we understand

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it so let's say the inhabitants of the

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countries as far as we know there are

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some people like richard dolan who think

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perhaps it's a breakaway civilization

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but that's beside the point it's

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flattering and humbling that even though

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i'm a fledgling in this topic the

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community has been extremely kind to me

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the ufo community so for example the

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reddit community including people like

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jeremy riss from alien scientist or

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stephen cambion from truth seekers

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they're far more knowledgeable than i am

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and i cared like clay in comparison to

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their nuance and specificity as far as

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actual scientific professors

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investigating this topic publicly

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okay if you can see this type bulbasaur

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say again

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no not you

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the audience i'm just making sure that

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it's live streaming now so that i don't

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okay travis we'll start with how are you

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doing man how was your day

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i'm doing okay it's a we've had a huge

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the first question is

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why is it that you think you've seen so

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many ufos because most people go their

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entire life without seeing a single one

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do you think you're tracked all right

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it i think it has to do with um

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clear skies the weather's ideal for

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seeing whatever's up there so many

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people say oh i've never seen anything

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like that and i say well have you ever

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looked up and they kind of him and hall

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about that but i mean i see a wonderful

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panorama of stars every every night when

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i i would never want to imply that they

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have an interest in me or or something

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like that but uh

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i i really don't think that uh

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sightings are that

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rare when i look around and you know

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just inquire with casual people people

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who aren't into this paranormal or ufos

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seems like everybody's had sightings

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it's not that uncommon

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this question comes from sa keeb ali he

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wants to know what is one thing about

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the incident that you haven't talked

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about because you don't like talking

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uh you know to actually recount what i

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was feeling at that time

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do you have ptsd from it

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other siding that we sort of

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this giant black triangle came stopped

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incredible uh ability to decelerate and

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it was still something that i wouldn't

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have ever brought up in an interview or

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anything like that except that uh i was

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about 15 other people

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or at least reported by that many people

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uh a highly populated area like that

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just didn't know where to report it

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i recall that you have had an experience

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with a ufo somewhere on

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girlfriend at the time

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do you mind recounting that

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it's in her estimation uh there was um

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missing time uh you know it seemed to

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take a lot longer

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uh to get home than it should have uh

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the whole thing but uh

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again i've always uh tried to avoid

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reporting things uh i can't corroborate

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everything has to be done they're

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missing time on your part or only she

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her estimations and comments about it

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and it's just something we

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find very interesting and your son

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also experienced missing time or time

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he doesn't disagree he's just you know

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how would you know you know on a long

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something about your girlfriend at the

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time was pregnant and then after the

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sighting she became not pregnant and it

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was because of alien interference i

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don't know if i'm reading that from by

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surmising from the questions or if i've

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well boy that is something i i don't

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really bring out that much because you

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government facility and um

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talk about that or name her or whatever

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gynecologist's office with her i

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fetus said just disappear

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the the baby was taken by you know some

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alien technology another alternative

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that a baby can be reabsorbed but if

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that were really true you would think it

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would affect the cord and a placenta too

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feelings that these

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beings were being helpful toward you

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given that do you think yes

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go ahead yeah i'm just wondering okay

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how was the removal of a fetus

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positive unless

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cancerous or

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so i'm curious if you don't mind

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i'm sure you've thought about this do

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you mind letting us know your

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speculations well uh obviously the

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theory is uh you know that uh

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we conjecture that the baby is alive

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somewhere it was just taken

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amount of development you know

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lose clothing she probably could have

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do you regret that the abduction

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happened do you wish it didn't

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i wish i'd never gotten out of that

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truck uh

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just

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not not a big positive in my life

289
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or even in those

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not positive with respect to the press

291
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and the accusations or

292
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all of the above including just that uh

293
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the topic never escapes you know

294
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it's just to live a normal life react to

295
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normal things be interested in things

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um

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it's even hard to be

298
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too under the weather now

299
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under the radar uh what i mean was

300
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that

301
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to be recognized everywhere you go is

302
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some people think would be pretty cool

303
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but uh

304
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not really do people come up and try to

305
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take pictures with you

306
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all the time i get people knock on my

307
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door

308
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hello i'm in town

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i know you live here

310
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could i trouble you for

311
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an autograph and a picture

312
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is this okay so right now i'm sure

313
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you're considered

314
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your identity as the ufo person at least

315
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as far as other people are concerned is

316
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there something else you'd like to be

317
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known for

318
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do you have another hobby no just

319
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uh something other than that guy

320
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okay high priest of galvin of gavin

321
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almighty asks

322
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has he ever done dmt and how does that

323
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compare to his experience in the 80s

324
00:13:42,389 --> 00:13:39,750
what's what's dmt it's a psychedelic oh

325
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oh oh yeah that's a chemical

326
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spirit molecule no never

327
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any

328
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psychoactive substances like let's say

329
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cannabis or lsd

330
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or mushrooms um

331
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50 years ago um about a handful of times

332
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okay 50 years ago was about the 70s was

333
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no uh it would be in in the late 60s uh

334
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it was just uh

335
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altered states were not

336
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is uh you know i i always strive for the

337
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greatest reality the greatest

338
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here and now

339
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rather than altered states it's just

340
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it's a preference of mine i don't i

341
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i'm such a stick in the mud i don't

342
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really even enjoy alcohol you know it's

343
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just

344
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same i don't drink at all actually

345
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when it comes to psychedelics

346
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there's obviously a connection between

347
00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:53,120
psychedelics and consciousness and there

348
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seems to be some tenuous or maybe even

349
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direct connection between consciousness

350
00:15:03,829 --> 00:15:01,040
and these entities whatever we want to

351
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call them aliens or whatever

352
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do you see that and if so

353
00:15:10,829 --> 00:15:08,399
what is that connection

354
00:15:14,069 --> 00:15:10,839
i think it's just basically simple

355
00:15:17,509 --> 00:15:14,079
telepathy it's inevitably where

356
00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:17,519
uh communication will go for humans

357
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i think

358
00:15:23,670 --> 00:15:21,519
uh to to a great extent people already

359
00:15:26,629 --> 00:15:23,680
experience this phenomenon

360
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some in a much more highly developed

361
00:15:31,829 --> 00:15:28,399
way than others

362
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and i think for beings that are

363
00:15:37,110 --> 00:15:34,000
always being described as being

364
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emotionless and cold

365
00:15:43,269 --> 00:15:40,800
to me that is merely a sign that facial

366
00:15:45,269 --> 00:15:43,279
expressions have become obsolete for

367
00:15:47,910 --> 00:15:45,279
them uh they're they're going to

368
00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:47,920
communicate a greater richness of what

369
00:15:52,550 --> 00:15:48,959
they mean

370
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inflections and emotion and all that and

371
00:15:57,030 --> 00:15:54,560
no need to have

372
00:15:58,310 --> 00:15:57,040
anything represented by

373
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uh

374
00:16:02,949 --> 00:16:00,720
muscles on their face contorting in

375
00:16:05,749 --> 00:16:02,959
certain ways it really is kind of an

376
00:16:08,710 --> 00:16:05,759
unusual thing because i think humans are

377
00:16:10,710 --> 00:16:08,720
pretty much the only critters that

378
00:16:13,350 --> 00:16:10,720
communicate that way there's all kinds

379
00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:13,360
of things that animals

380
00:16:18,389 --> 00:16:17,120
do to communicate in terms of

381
00:16:20,949 --> 00:16:18,399
sounds and

382
00:16:23,509 --> 00:16:20,959
posture and sorts of things but i think

383
00:16:24,310 --> 00:16:23,519
for advanced consciousness

384
00:16:28,470 --> 00:16:24,320
uh

385
00:16:32,710 --> 00:16:30,069
johnny 80 asks

386
00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:32,720
the abduction happened around 1975 and

387
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:34,720
our technology was still primitive at

388
00:16:39,269 --> 00:16:36,959
the time during your time inside the

389
00:16:41,269 --> 00:16:39,279
ship what kind of devices or interfaces

390
00:16:43,829 --> 00:16:41,279
got your attention what did the light

391
00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:43,839
sources look like were there any screen

392
00:16:48,949 --> 00:16:44,880
or any

393
00:16:54,949 --> 00:16:52,389
oh yeah there was a great deal of uh

394
00:16:55,910 --> 00:16:54,959
of that sort of thing that i wasn't

395
00:16:59,430 --> 00:16:55,920
there

396
00:17:01,269 --> 00:16:59,440
uh gee whiz wow this is amazing i was

397
00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:01,279
terrified it was out of my mind how do i

398
00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:03,440
get out of this thing how do i escape

399
00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:05,520
was my main focus so

400
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:07,520
so

401
00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:09,520
most of the um

402
00:17:16,949 --> 00:17:14,470
um

403
00:17:19,110 --> 00:17:16,959
interest in these kinds of things

404
00:17:20,230 --> 00:17:19,120
occurred in retrospect you know looking

405
00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:20,240
back on

406
00:17:25,189 --> 00:17:21,839
uh

407
00:17:26,949 --> 00:17:25,199
things i saw and interpreting them

408
00:17:28,950 --> 00:17:26,959
the best i could

409
00:17:30,549 --> 00:17:28,960
is there anything now that

410
00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:30,559
much technology has been developed in

411
00:17:34,549 --> 00:17:33,039
the past 40 years

412
00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:34,559
whereas before you wouldn't recognize

413
00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:36,240
what a cell phone was

414
00:17:40,230 --> 00:17:38,000
maybe it wouldn't be conspicuous to you

415
00:17:42,549 --> 00:17:40,240
or just wouldn't register but now you

416
00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:42,559
have that so now thinking back given our

417
00:17:46,150 --> 00:17:44,160
technology is there something that you

418
00:17:48,310 --> 00:17:46,160
recognize that when you were there you

419
00:17:52,710 --> 00:17:48,320
didn't but now you have this linguistic

420
00:17:58,230 --> 00:17:55,909
yeah um and maybe things beyond still

421
00:18:02,470 --> 00:17:58,240
where we are you know

422
00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:02,480
what was i described as a screen

423
00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:05,440
had intersecting lines

424
00:18:10,390 --> 00:18:08,640
but no characters and that's really

425
00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:10,400
strange how would they know what was

426
00:18:17,590 --> 00:18:12,840
what as far as these

427
00:18:19,029 --> 00:18:17,600
gradations meant it's all speculation

428
00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:19,039
is it all right if i ask you some

429
00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:24,549
well

430
00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:25,679
like

431
00:18:32,310 --> 00:18:29,919
desperate to find a way to open the door

432
00:18:34,710 --> 00:18:32,320
and escape this thing uh

433
00:18:37,430 --> 00:18:34,720
i wasn't musing about what this means it

434
00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:38,549
just

435
00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:40,640
a glowing surface kind of like a

436
00:18:44,150 --> 00:18:42,480
computer but um

437
00:18:45,669 --> 00:18:44,160
black lines

438
00:18:47,669 --> 00:18:45,679
with little

439
00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:47,679
short

440
00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:50,320
black lines on each of those but at

441
00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:51,840
angles

442
00:18:55,990 --> 00:18:53,200
and these

443
00:18:57,669 --> 00:18:56,000
angles would change and they would slide

444
00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:57,679
in response to

445
00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:00,960
me touching this uh surface

446
00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:04,000
i i took to be buttons it was some

447
00:19:09,029 --> 00:19:07,520
colored areas on the surface

448
00:19:10,789 --> 00:19:09,039
i don't remember have you ever mentioned

449
00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:10,799
this before i was looking at some of

450
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:15,830
well i might have just referred to them

451
00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:18,320
as buttons of your this is much more in

452
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:20,000
depth in that area than i've ever

453
00:19:25,590 --> 00:19:21,520
encountered

454
00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:26,470
um

455
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:27,679
no

456
00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:35,110
gave a more distant shot

457
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:37,120
angle of um

458
00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:39,520
um you know like from the door from a

459
00:19:45,430 --> 00:19:43,750
okay so

460
00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:45,440
am i to understand at this point you

461
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:48,880
were lying down when you saw the screen

462
00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:51,600
no no i was wandering around

463
00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:56,000
desperately seeking a way out

464
00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:57,840
okay so from what i understand just

465
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:59,840
correct me if i'm wrong you were you

466
00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:01,120
woke up

467
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:02,000
being

468
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:03,919
finding it difficult to breathe someone

469
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:05,360
put a mask on you that didn't seem to be

470
00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:07,679
attached to anything it also calmed you

471
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:09,919
at some point someone who looked human

472
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:11,600
appeared to you

473
00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:13,760
and i believe they started taking you

474
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:15,679
out of this smaller room into a larger

475
00:20:18,830 --> 00:20:18,080
one is that correct

476
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:18,840
oh

477
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:20,799
well no

478
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:23,200
that's pretty all jumbled together you

479
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:26,480
know i woke up um

480
00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:28,159
and very

481
00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:30,000
great deal of pain

482
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:35,029
when i could finally focus and see these

483
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:37,280
creatures standing over me i realized no

484
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:38,080
i

485
00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:42,240
but uh

486
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:45,200
i was taken out of this craft by

487
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:47,039
human-looking beings

488
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:49,840
to this larger room and

489
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:51,679
smaller room off of that

490
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:53,520
um

491
00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:55,840
that's where the mask was applied but

492
00:21:02,310 --> 00:20:59,360
that was basically just designed to uh

493
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,320
put me out make render me unconscious

494
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:04,080
there are three rooms in total there's

495
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:05,840
the one that you were initially in the

496
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:07,280
one that you exited and it was much

497
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:08,480
larger and you said there was an

498
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:09,919
algorithm that's a vast over

499
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:12,080
simplification i was inside the craft

500
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:15,039
when i finally exited that it was at

501
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:17,760
that point parked inside of this huge

502
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:19,679
we'll call it a room it could be a

503
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:22,799
building or part of a larger craft

504
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:26,080
and then taken out of this big huge

505
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:28,000
hangar-like area

506
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:31,200
uh down a hallway to the room where i

507
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:36,870
were you able to see outside the craft

508
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,480
what color were the walls if there were

509
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:40,320
walls

510
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:42,159
um the

511
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:42,880
i

512
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:45,360
um

513
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:47,200
lighted areas

514
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:50,320
in the big hanger-like area to be

515
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:52,720
sunlight being filtered through some

516
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:55,360
kind of uh

517
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:58,159
frosted surface but it also could have

518
00:22:02,310 --> 00:21:59,840
been um

519
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,320
synthetically or you know

520
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:05,039
produced artificially produced uh

521
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:08,320
something to duplicate sunlight

522
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:10,480
just uh

523
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:12,320
not super intense but you just have to

524
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:14,480
light the area

525
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:15,760
you also just mentioned that you were

526
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:17,600
working with an artist

527
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:19,440
did the artist draw those lines on the

528
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:21,120
screen that you were referring to about

529
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:23,600
five minutes ago

530
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:26,400
well i described it to him but uh the

531
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:28,960
overall lay of the room and

532
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:30,080
you know

533
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:33,600
the the the screen and the surfaces that

534
00:22:38,830 --> 00:22:36,640
it was mounted on all that was

535
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:38,840
you know a

536
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:43,120
a 20 feet away sort of perspective not

537
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:45,039
down over my shoulder watching my hand

538
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,480
kind of perspective that's what i was

539
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:48,960
trying to tell you

540
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,440
okay we have a question here from

541
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:53,520
steve cambion

542
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:56,240
he wants to know have you ever had an

543
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:02,070
yes i i

544
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:09,270
considered him a friend he's no longer

545
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:11,200
with us but

546
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,480
uh i did not do any work in terms of

547
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:15,840
searching for

548
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:19,280
the kind of work he specialized in

549
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:22,000
uh and that being because i'd already

550
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:22,960
had

551
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:24,159
um

552
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:26,559
upper body x-rays uh

553
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:28,480
from uh

554
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:31,120
dr kandel

555
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:33,840
and enough nothing was um

556
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:41,190
a tiny dot in one lung they called it a

557
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:43,600
granuloma but uh

558
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:46,720
it probably was just a granuloma

559
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:49,279
i've had other chest x-rays since then

560
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:52,799
that didn't comment on such a thing but

561
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:55,360
at the time there could have been some

562
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:00,630
um

563
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:03,679
resolving effect from you know a prior

564
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:05,200
uh

565
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:07,840
respiratory infection or something

566
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:10,320
it wasn't considered real significant at

567
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:12,000
the time

568
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:14,000
do you recall the state of your clothes

569
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:17,440
when you came to and you were found

570
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:20,000
i believe it was near to the location

571
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:26,070
yeah um my clothing looked pretty much

572
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:28,240
the way it did at the time being hit

573
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,080
with that blast of energy the first

574
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,200
thing that we naturally look for was was

575
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:35,039
there any burn marks or anything like

576
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:37,039
that but there wasn't

577
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:40,960
but uh my brother was uh

578
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:43,039
he'd had some advice from people who had

579
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:46,880
uh contacted him at the site

580
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:49,120
to preserve the clothing if i was

581
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:52,240
returned so he did have me take that off

582
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:54,880
i changed my clothes these were placed

583
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:57,120
in a clean

584
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,960
plastic bag

585
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:00,799
and sealed up

586
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:02,559
but uh the

587
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:05,520
planned uh forensic analysis

588
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:07,360
kind of went by the way because there

589
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:09,440
was so much

590
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:11,279
um

591
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:12,799
turmoil and

592
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:14,960
just crazy stuff going on

593
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:16,960
it was sort of forgotten it was in the

594
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:19,679
trunk and the bag got uh things thrown

595
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,000
in on top of it toward open

596
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:24,240
and it was considered contaminated at

597
00:25:27,909 --> 00:25:25,360
that point

598
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,919
and uh it wasn't pursued there was a lot

599
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:29,679
of other things uh

600
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:35,669
someone here mike mcdonald said what's

601
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,630
my upper lip

602
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:44,480
many people here are saying thank you

603
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:45,600
they

604
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:50,559
applaud your courage

605
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:53,360
well i would like something

606
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:56,960
good to come of it um

607
00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:59,520
working on it you know to begin with i

608
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:02,320
want people to know that this is uh a

609
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,279
real phenomenon and that i think much of

610
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:06,960
the fear

611
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:09,679
or fear-mongering

612
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,679
unnecessary much of what hollywood has

613
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:13,520
done is um

614
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:15,520
you know

615
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:18,640
invading monsters kind of an approach

616
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:20,559
uh

617
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:23,440
i encountered beatings that were clothed

618
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,720
and

619
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,320
of course in hollywood they're always

620
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:28,240
completely unclothed so you can see the

621
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,559
monstrous nature of their of their

622
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:32,799
physical bodies

623
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:34,960
speaking of the aliens physical

624
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:37,360
characteristics roger mobby

625
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:39,279
or mobby wants to know did the aliens

626
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:46,390
yes in this case uh i imagine there's

627
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,080
varieties out there but

628
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:52,880
i would say the nose and the mouth are

629
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:56,159
probably have similar functions to us

630
00:27:02,630 --> 00:26:59,039
other than perhaps speaking maybe maybe

631
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,350
did you happen to watch the ufo incident

632
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:07,679
i believe that's a film about barney and

633
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,480
betty hill did you happen to watch that

634
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,400
prior to the

635
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:14,720
yeah years years later

636
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:17,760
i i saw a little bit of it you know

637
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:19,520
not the whole thing but

638
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:20,799
and i had

639
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:24,000
was actually introduced to betty hill

640
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:28,240
on the phone by uh dr harder

641
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:29,840
what i'm curious about is did you happen

642
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:32,080
to watch it or see the trailer or know

643
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:34,640
of it prior to your experience

644
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:37,360
prior to the abduction no

645
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,840
no i i was not aware of that and you

646
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:41,840
know of course that was one of the first

647
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:44,080
things that skeptics want to say is oh

648
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:46,799
he saw the movie uh or tv show or

649
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,279
whatever it was and was inspired to

650
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:51,919
reenact it but that's that's not true

651
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:53,520
okay some of these names i don't know

652
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:54,799
what they're about so if you don't mind

653
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:57,679
enlightening me steve cambion from truth

654
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:00,240
seekers also wants to know in the latest

655
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:03,200
news with mike rogers confessing a hoax

656
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:06,159
so i'm unclear who mike rogers is

657
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:07,440
why has

658
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:09,440
none of the rest of your crew spoken up

659
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:15,029
well they they have and they all insist

660
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:16,799
that you know what we saw

661
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:19,120
we saw what happened happened

662
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:22,559
and even mike rogers is uh

663
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:26,080
in the same supposed quote confession

664
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:29,200
said there i think there is no way this

665
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,000
could have been a hoax well this is a

666
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,000
narrative that's being pushed by a

667
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:36,880
filmmaker a wannabe filmmaker

668
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:38,080
truth is he

669
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:41,679
has no track record no resume but uh

670
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:43,760
he's the one that's uh designed this

671
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,039
whole scheme to try to

672
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:49,440
induce mike to

673
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:51,279
say things that he could use in this

674
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,320
regard

675
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:54,799
to support the idea that

676
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:57,840
the crew didn't really see a craft

677
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,799
in the woods that somehow they wound up

678
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:02,480
miles away

679
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:03,279
by

680
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,360
a fire watch tower that the forest

681
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:07,440
service had and that what they really

682
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:10,480
saw was this fire tower which is just

683
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,080
totally nonsense it's laughable to see

684
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,080
the picture of that and say oh you're

685
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,720
going to mistake that for a glowing disc

686
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,799
you know this thing is on a

687
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:22,320
sturdy metal

688
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:25,440
framework structure holding it up

689
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:31,269
i was standing underneath this thing

690
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:32,640
there was no

691
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:34,720
steel legs or any such thing and it's

692
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:35,440
just

693
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:38,399
it's it's a real stretch to try

694
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:40,960
to to claim this somehow the crew didn't

695
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,760
realize they spent another 15 minutes

696
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:45,360
driving to where this would be or

697
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,320
something

698
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:48,960
it's it's laughable when you look at all

699
00:29:51,950 --> 00:29:50,480
of the um

700
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:51,960
deliberate

701
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:55,039
misrepresentations that have been made

702
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:56,480
mike rogers

703
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:59,440
is being cred a claim that he made a

704
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:01,120
confession

705
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:04,080
he says and has said a number of times

706
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:06,000
since then no

707
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:07,600
i did not say that

708
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:10,480
this happened just exactly as we

709
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,799
described it who is mike rogers one of

710
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:14,799
your friends who was there oh he was the

711
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:16,880
crew boss he was driving the truck that

712
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,320
night uh taking the whole all seven of

713
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:22,880
us home that night and you mentioned

714
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,159
that there's a filmmaker involved

715
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:28,240
oh he calls himself a filmmaker but like

716
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:31,200
i say he has no no resume no

717
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:34,840
no history of ever having made a film

718
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:38,640
um he's really really kind of a strange

719
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:39,679
character

720
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:40,480
no

721
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:51,669
just mysteriously encountered mike at

722
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:55,600
the site just a wild coincidence

723
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,279
mike was there you know doing something

724
00:31:01,269 --> 00:31:00,080
for mufon and he just happens to run

725
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:01,279
into mike

726
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:02,000
but

727
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:04,720
mike's got some health problems and

728
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:08,000
struggles with um

729
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:09,039
um

730
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,440
the site is a couple of thousand feet

731
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:15,840
higher than where he lives

732
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:22,630
there's a there's a was a great deal of

733
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:27,440
uh strain just just being there

734
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:29,200
on mike rogers

735
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:30,799
and uh

736
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:33,840
this supposed confession was

737
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,039
uh

738
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:37,519
made over a phone

739
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:38,640
uh

740
00:31:41,789 --> 00:31:39,840
and

741
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:41,799
leading sorts of

742
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:43,679
suggestions to

743
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:44,559
uh

744
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:48,159
to me it's not clear at all i i would

745
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:49,440
in

746
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,080
lies that this

747
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,480
supposed filmmaker made

748
00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:58,640
uh in the course of this whole operation

749
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:01,760
just flat out provable just

750
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:04,240
concoctions out of thin air

751
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,320
i would uh take mike's uh

752
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,080
description of things

753
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:12,559
over his in spite of the fact that i've

754
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:14,480
had quite a falling out with him in

755
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:15,760
terms of uh

756
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:18,080
other kinds of uh

757
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,200
um

758
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:21,120
things that he's uh

759
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:23,679
come to his spouse in his

760
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:28,710
you have to elucidate me because i don't

761
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:30,000
know the relationship between this

762
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,559
filmmaker and you and mike so is this

763
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:34,320
filmmaker someone who is interested in

764
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,919
doing a documentary or a film on

765
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:37,519
something comes

766
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,559
well that was that was the supposed uh a

767
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,720
year before all this

768
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:44,559
um i had

769
00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:47,440
a few conversations with him about

770
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:50,240
making a documentary

771
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:53,039
and i told him no i'm not going to do

772
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:56,640
anything with you and cut it off and i

773
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:59,039
gave him largely my reason is this

774
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,640
ridiculous

775
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:02,159
um

776
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:05,440
fire tower uh theory that he was so

777
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,640
anxious to

778
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:08,640
uh find support for

779
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:12,000
but um one lie that he tells is that i

780
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:12,720
was

781
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:15,519
in deep discussions with him about

782
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:18,159
a big budget remake of fire in the sky

783
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:19,760
i never would have done that that's

784
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,200
ridiculous

785
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:23,360
uh i have all the

786
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:25,760
email exchanges at the time and the

787
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:28,000
nothing of the sort was said

788
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:30,159
and i've turned down a number of people

789
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:31,919
you know we just fly by night filmmakers

790
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,640
and say i'll do that i'll do the remake

791
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:36,240
and uh

792
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,039
i wasn't looking for uh somebody that

793
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:41,760
wanted to just kind of do something and

794
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,360
capitalize on

795
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:45,120
the fame of the incident but somebody

796
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:47,760
who really seriously wanted to do a

797
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:49,760
better remake

798
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:52,559
and uh a group of people

799
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:54,799
who have those qualifications contacted

800
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:56,960
me recently they called me

801
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:58,799
uh you know i've put it out there for

802
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:01,120
quite some time that i would like to see

803
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:03,760
a remake of the movie but

804
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:06,640
this wannabe guy uh

805
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:09,839
concocted a pretty elaborate

806
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:11,119
scheme

807
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:13,599
to uh

808
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,399
provoke these things uh

809
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:18,399
in mike who

810
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:20,960
you know he's not as good of health as

811
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:23,280
he has been in the past he was very

812
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,159
vigorous uh high performing it did

813
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:28,960
you know performed very well in

814
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:31,679
the logging festivals and those kinds of

815
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:34,079
things but he's had a couple of strokes

816
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:37,200
and uh some other medical issues that i

817
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:38,399
you know

818
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:40,079
respect his privacy

819
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:41,599
um

820
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:46,560
i i i tell him i think he's delusional

821
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:50,800
uh he angrily rejects that theory but i

822
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:53,440
think this wannabe guy was taking

823
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,720
advantage

824
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:55,919
of

825
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:57,599
mike's um

826
00:35:01,829 --> 00:34:58,880
let's call it

827
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:01,839
varying states of uh

828
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:02,640
and

829
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:05,520
to try to push this narrative because he

830
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:08,640
wanted to be the guy that was going to

831
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:11,280
tear it all down because it was really

832
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:12,240
um

833
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,280
the gentry tower fire lookout uh

834
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,520
miles away from there it's just totally

835
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:19,520
ridiculous

836
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:24,550
no

837
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:29,750
um

838
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:31,119
why would i want to make him famous

839
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:36,710
um

840
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:39,200
i have a nickname for him sure his first

841
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,000
name

842
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:42,320
rhymes with lion

843
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:44,880
because he's always lying but other than

844
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:47,599
that i'm not gonna yeah

845
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:50,000
okay well i have a question here about

846
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,520
ryan and i assume then it's the same

847
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:53,760
person the question is in a phone call

848
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,920
with ryan

849
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,680
you said this is what this person is

850
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:59,200
saying this is what steve campion is

851
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,000
saying

852
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,240
you said someone else was posting on

853
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:05,040
your facebook on your behalf so who is

854
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:12,630
well that was just speculation about

855
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,440
people uh going online and pretending to

856
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:18,000
be me i mean that's ridiculous how often

857
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:19,119
that happens

858
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,760
imposters that's all i'm not there

859
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:23,920
wasn't any some particular thing that

860
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,400
was being discussed you know i had

861
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,480
some strange people over the years

862
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:32,800
people claiming to be

863
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:35,359
other than who they were

864
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:37,839
someone claiming to be the sheriff's

865
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:39,119
nephew

866
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:42,400
i talked to the sheriff about it and uh

867
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:44,720
didn't know who this could possibly be

868
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,880
claiming to know my kids and their

869
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:48,160
cousin

870
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:50,079
they don't know who it could possibly be

871
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:52,960
but he was making ridiculous claims

872
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:55,520
that he had the inside story people do

873
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,079
this all the time there's something big

874
00:37:01,589 --> 00:37:00,160
in the news and i live in this area so

875
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:01,599
i'll make up some

876
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:03,359
connection to this

877
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:06,240
to gain attention so he said when they

878
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:09,200
recovered my me from the phone booth

879
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:12,240
that my stomach was covered with dirty

880
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,680
needle marks

881
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,680
this is to suggest that the whole thing

882
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:17,520
was a drug hallucination

883
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:18,640
um

884
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:26,880
examinations

885
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:29,520
by a number of doctors

886
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:31,119
right after that

887
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:34,000
and blood and urine samples were

888
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:36,720
submitted to the maricopa county medical

889
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:38,880
examiner's drug screen

890
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:41,440
showed no trace of any drug

891
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:45,520
and of course the doctor examined uh my

892
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:48,320
naked body and there was no such marks

893
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:51,200
on me it was just a way to claim

894
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,359
uh some connection to something there's

895
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,440
a whole bot a bunch of other stuff that

896
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:57,520
he was claiming that were just

897
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:59,040
uh about

898
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:01,119
where allen lived

899
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,160
you know

900
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:04,480
that he lived in concho which is a

901
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,320
quarter mile from snowflake

902
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:08,160
i mean this guy didn't even know the

903
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:11,280
geography of the area and he's a faking

904
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:13,599
faking life after life but you know what

905
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:16,640
so many people online spotted his lies

906
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:18,640
they were jumping before i even found

907
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,750
but there's other connections other

908
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,680
people that um you know

909
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:27,920
some some a little bit more benign some

910
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:29,520
friendly you know there was a guy that i

911
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:31,040
was friends with

912
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:34,079
that said because he lived in heber

913
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,400
that when i made that phone call that

914
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:38,880
night for my family to rescue me

915
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:41,280
that i called him first and he wasn't

916
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:44,000
home so then i called my family

917
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:45,200
um

918
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:47,599
that's

919
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:50,079
an impossible set of priorities there

920
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:51,200
and

921
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:52,560
it's totally

922
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:57,200
falsified by the fact that when i called

923
00:39:01,190 --> 00:39:00,400
it was a collect call i had no money on

924
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:01,200
me

925
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:04,720
uh the operator listened in on the call

926
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:06,800
and reported to the sheriff

927
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:09,280
and the sheriff sent officers over there

928
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:10,560
that night

929
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:11,760
so

930
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:15,280
there was only one call made and it was

931
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:16,160
just

932
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:18,079
a kind of a

933
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:20,240
somebody trying to be important you know

934
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:21,839
i know this guy and

935
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:23,839
you know there were another a few other

936
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:26,960
claims that uh oh here's one

937
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:29,359
i worked with travis on the loud landing

938
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:30,400
and

939
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:32,480
every morning when he'd come in

940
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:35,599
he'd take off his hard hat and line it

941
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:42,150
basically saying travis is a tennis oil

942
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:45,040
hat guy and uh this is totally i never

943
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:46,320
worked with

944
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:49,599
this guy on any log landing anywhere and

945
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:53,040
uh there were never any tinfoil in my

946
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:56,000
hard hat

947
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,400
a few people here are saying

948
00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:00,400
that i never doubted you travis that's

949
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:01,680
memo type

950
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:06,790
well there's many plaudits in the

951
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,880
comments i can't get to them all well i

952
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:10,880
appreciate that and i i would like to

953
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:13,760
say thank you to those people

954
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,359
archer emissary of gorgonites asks

955
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:19,440
is he familiar with the skinny bob

956
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:22,240
videos the alien leaked footage and if

957
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:29,430
i have heard that term and uh i

958
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:31,760
to the best of my knowledge i i don't

959
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:32,960
think um

960
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:35,359
that description matches

961
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:37,359
it's you know people say oh they were

962
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:39,599
the grays you know

963
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:42,240
it might be that

964
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:45,359
sentient humanoids will tend to go in

965
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:48,000
that direction

966
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:50,319
it wouldn't surprise me to learn

967
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,599
that

968
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:53,760
what's called the grays could actually

969
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:56,800
be separate species you know even coming

970
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:59,440
from different places

971
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:00,319
although

972
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:04,400
you know end up looking very similar

973
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,960
debt wodify wants to know if you recall

974
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:08,960
any distinctive smells from the

975
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:13,990
well that's a pretty common question but

976
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:16,640
um the only thing i remember about odors

977
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:19,359
especially when i first woke up was um

978
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,319
just the feeling of suffocation i

979
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:24,480
couldn't get enough air

980
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:30,230
um the feeling that something was very

981
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:32,160
wrong inside something

982
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:33,680
um

983
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:37,760
i like uh i was suffocating and that the

984
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,440
air was

985
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,040
um

986
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:43,200
probably less oxygenated but certainly a

987
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:45,280
lot more humid than

988
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:47,119
normal

989
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:48,800
jackson vega wants to know what do you

990
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:55,349
um never met him

991
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:57,520
i've even been places where he was also

992
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:02,390
i

993
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:09,040
and he never uh

994
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:11,440
saw me out so never had a conversation

995
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:13,599
with him

996
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,720
what are some of the people that you

997
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,880
consider to be most credible see for me

998
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:18,480
i'm a novice in this field and i don't

999
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:20,960
know who to trust who not to trust so i

1000
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,880
approach each person with an open mind

1001
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:24,720
and i assume what they're saying is true

1002
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,560
and i just talk to them as if they're

1003
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:28,319
being honest

1004
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:30,640
but obviously some people are misleading

1005
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,599
and

1006
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:33,920
i don't have enough experience i'm

1007
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,920
unclear if you can get enough experience

1008
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,200
to be able to discern what's

1009
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:39,280
misinformation

1010
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:40,960
but

1011
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:43,119
either way who do you consider to be the

1012
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:50,710
well i agree that not all you hear at

1013
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:53,440
events or things that are made public

1014
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:56,000
are on the same

1015
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,440
type of

1016
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:59,040
plane is what

1017
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:00,480
we experienced

1018
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:06,309
i i think in in some cases they're just

1019
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,200
outright lies but in many cases these

1020
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:11,680
are people who have had some sort of

1021
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:12,480
very

1022
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:16,160
vivid experience that they truly believe

1023
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,960
but

1024
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:18,960
probably didn't actually happen

1025
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,079
but

1026
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,240
i that would be so presumptuous you know

1027
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,240
how many people passed judgment on me

1028
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,640
without having investigated my case

1029
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,480
happens constantly

1030
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:30,480
they they're they're so poorly versed

1031
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:33,119
they they jumbled on the on the details

1032
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:35,359
but yet they're attacking uh they made

1033
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:37,119
up their minds before they even look at

1034
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,760
the facts so i never wanted to be guilty

1035
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:41,040
of that to

1036
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:41,920
um

1037
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:44,319
say who's authentic and who's not just

1038
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:47,280
on base of my impression i definitely do

1039
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:49,359
have those kinds of impressions there

1040
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,079
are some people that i believe have

1041
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:54,480
definitely had authentic

1042
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,280
they're

1043
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:57,040
really recounting things that happened

1044
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:57,920
to them

1045
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:59,040
and others

1046
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:01,040
perhaps not but but

1047
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:03,520
i've made a policy of not pointing to

1048
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:05,760
which ones are

1049
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:10,400
what led you to believe that the people

1050
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,960
who are good are good

1051
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,720
like what are you picking up on or is it

1052
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:16,319
subtle body language is it something

1053
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,599
that they say that's consistent with

1054
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:19,359
your experience that only those in the

1055
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,800
know

1056
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,560
no many many things

1057
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,480
goes into that you know it's kind of

1058
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:26,880
just the same way you and i size each

1059
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,720
other up when we have a conversation you

1060
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,240
know um

1061
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:32,640
there are some people you can tell

1062
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:39,190
for varicators in a kind of a way they

1063
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:41,760
look at reality in a way that feeds

1064
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:42,880
their

1065
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:44,800
self-esteem

1066
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:46,160
um

1067
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,440
these people are called narcissists

1068
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:51,440
a narcissist

1069
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,319
is a form of mental illness

1070
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,400
but it's really quite common and quite

1071
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,319
destructive

1072
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,720
but um when people hear the term

1073
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:03,119
narcissist they think of

1074
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:05,040
uh oh well

1075
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:07,440
the old greek legend or whatever it was

1076
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:09,599
that where the name came from

1077
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:11,920
it was supposedly

1078
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,359
um

1079
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:15,839
some character in mythology who just

1080
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:18,880
uh was entranced by his own image in in

1081
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:21,040
the mirror and the reflection

1082
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:24,319
well no narcissism has is kind of a

1083
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:26,560
sickness of uh

1084
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:27,599
uh

1085
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,079
floundering self-esteem

1086
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:33,040
that can be extremely

1087
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:34,480
dangerous

1088
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:42,069
when when you say somebody's delusional

1089
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:44,800
they think you're talking about somebody

1090
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:47,359
who sees pink elephants in the room or

1091
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:48,319
is

1092
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:50,560
mindlessly jabbering

1093
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:54,870
incoherently

1094
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:55,680
but

1095
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:57,280
no people uh

1096
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:01,119
that are of an

1097
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:02,880
mental

1098
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:04,640
illness of this sort

1099
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:05,920
uh can be

1100
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:08,079
very good at um

1101
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:09,839
making things

1102
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:12,079
fit the narrative you know

1103
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:15,680
they they have um

1104
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,079
paranoid delusions that people are

1105
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:19,920
plotting against them or the things

1106
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:20,880
occurred

1107
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:23,440
in the basis of no evidence at all but

1108
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,760
it's uh they're totally convinced by it

1109
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:26,880
because

1110
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,440
uh they need to believe it for various

1111
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,520
psychological reasons

1112
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:33,839
and uh

1113
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:36,480
potentially very harmful uh mental

1114
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:41,750
travis is there any aspect about the

1115
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:45,599
1975 case that you can't talk about for

1116
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,200
some reason such as the government told

1117
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:49,680
you don't talk about this aspect or that

1118
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:52,000
it breaches confidentiality of a friend

1119
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:53,839
some reason you can't talk about it

1120
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:56,960
besides the personal pain

1121
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:59,440
yes and for that reason i'm not going to

1122
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:01,280
talk about it but you know i just don't

1123
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:04,319
want to uh compromise people who are

1124
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:07,680
supposed to keep secrets that confided

1125
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:08,880
you know

1126
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,200
that's what the word confided means you

1127
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:13,760
know i they take me into their

1128
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:15,200
confidence and

1129
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:17,599
and i'll i'll try to

1130
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:19,839
um abide by that

1131
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,630
so what i'm wondering is i'm sure there

1132
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:26,000
are aspects like you might just mention

1133
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:27,760
that you can't talk about now one of

1134
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:30,160
those reasons is because of

1135
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,760
because you made an oath to a friend

1136
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:33,200
perhaps

1137
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:34,640
can you talk about why you can't talk

1138
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:37,520
about it rather than talking about it

1139
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:39,440
well if they're in a position where

1140
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,800
they're sworn to secrecy if they are um

1141
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:44,240
uh

1142
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:52,870
i can't think of the word it starts with

1143
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:53,680
a c

1144
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:54,960
um

1145
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:00,720
take an oath in in the military or some

1146
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:03,119
other official organization

1147
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:04,160
um

1148
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:05,760
certain things or

1149
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:08,000
some types of information

1150
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:08,800
are

1151
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:10,720
off limits and uh there's a word for

1152
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:13,200
that and i'm just kidding

1153
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,880
by the way anyone who's watching right

1154
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:16,800
now can you please send me the link to

1155
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:18,559
the skinny bob video then i'll send it

1156
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:21,040
to you travis and you can respond over

1157
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:22,800
email if it looks similar because i

1158
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:27,510
is that correct that you haven't seen

1159
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:29,040
this you've only heard about the skinny

1160
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,559
bob video

1161
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:32,400
are you showing me the video no no no

1162
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,400
i'm asking you have you seen the video

1163
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,000
or have you only heard about the video

1164
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:38,960
uh i may have but i think it's something

1165
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:42,400
very vague and not remotely like the the

1166
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:45,200
small you know three four feet tall

1167
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,240
grays

1168
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,400
that i encountered

1169
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:50,640
where the term skinny bob came from is a

1170
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:53,440
strange terminology and oh and the word

1171
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:56,400
is classified people are saying

1172
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:57,839
that you were looking for the word that

1173
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:59,359
starts with c

1174
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:01,200
has this experience affected your

1175
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:02,800
outlook on life

1176
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:04,480
particularly with your relationship to

1177
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:11,109
definitely definitely affected uh you

1178
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:12,960
know you've got to come to some sort of

1179
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:15,760
an understanding that's more universal

1180
00:49:18,990 --> 00:49:18,000
you know the fact that we have

1181
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:19,000
um

1182
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:20,640
denominations

1183
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:22,240
within religions

1184
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:24,559
and it's it's not just christianity it's

1185
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,319
uh other arab and

1186
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:29,040
eastern religions that have factions and

1187
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:30,720
uh

1188
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,079
ultimate truth

1189
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:34,319
needs to be singular

1190
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:36,720
to start with you know it's just

1191
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:39,839
my biased thinking that's my personal

1192
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,000
interpretation of it but uh

1193
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,000
these are profound questions they're

1194
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:46,319
we're talking about

1195
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,160
all of creation the universe and so um

1196
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:52,480
definitely needs to be compatible with

1197
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:54,079
uh

1198
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:54,880
um

1199
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:56,800
common sense

1200
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:04,470
you're seeking truth not just

1201
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:12,630
back up your your faction

1202
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:14,390
let's talk about some of the visual

1203
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:16,880
aspects of what happened when you were

1204
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,079
abducted in 1975 so you mentioned that

1205
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:22,880
visually they look like humans

1206
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,880
and i believe on joe rogan you describe

1207
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,400
him as wait a minute wait a minute

1208
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:29,119
humanoid humanoid a humanoid does not

1209
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:31,040
mean looking like people in that pass on

1210
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:32,880
the street in

1211
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:35,920
my town humanoid means two arms two legs

1212
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,559
ahead on top eyes in front uh rather

1213
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:41,280
than being looking like a large crab or

1214
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:45,990
cockroach or something of that nature

1215
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,480
so a lot of people have a

1216
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:50,960
misconception uh but the grays are

1217
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,200
humanoid and then there were other

1218
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:55,680
beings that are if they were living

1219
00:51:02,710 --> 00:50:59,680
beings that were brought in in order to

1220
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:02,720
interrupt my combativeness i was uh

1221
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,200
fighting them and i think the effort was

1222
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:06,960
to complete

1223
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:09,760
uh healing or repairs that needed to be

1224
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,280
made and i i was so terrified i wasn't

1225
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:15,280
allowing that

1226
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:17,119
so those people who were brought in this

1227
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:18,960
who i'm referring to you said that they

1228
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,559
look like people that would pass as

1229
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:23,119
regular people just at the

1230
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:24,720
in a cityscape you wouldn't be able to

1231
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:28,160
point them out as being different

1232
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:30,160
right

1233
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:32,160
yeah and you know that of course would

1234
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:33,040
uh

1235
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,200
fulfill the purpose of getting me to

1236
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,200
calm down and cooperate

1237
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:39,520
so that's you thinking perhaps that's

1238
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:42,079
the reason but you're not 100 sure that

1239
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:43,599
if they were there

1240
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:45,440
to be introduced to calm you as an

1241
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:47,680
anxiolytic well it's possible that there

1242
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:50,960
was some sort of ongoing

1243
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:54,240
thing but it definitely changed the

1244
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:57,040
direction of my efforts because

1245
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:59,119
i was terrified of these creatures this

1246
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:59,839
was

1247
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:01,839
something i viewed as very threatening

1248
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:05,920
and frightening and i wasn't about to

1249
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:07,280
cooperate

1250
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,079
now

1251
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:10,079
um

1252
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:14,880
stories of encounters with these beings

1253
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:17,599
describe them as being telepathic or

1254
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,280
being able to

1255
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:21,359
use mind control

1256
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:23,200
but i i didn't sense anything of that

1257
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:24,319
sort

1258
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:27,359
but um i'm explaining that in my own

1259
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:29,599
personal theory i can't say for sure of

1260
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:30,640
course

1261
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:32,720
is that being hit by that blast of

1262
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:33,839
energy

1263
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:36,800
uh impaired that connection you know

1264
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:38,319
potentially

1265
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,520
you're watching this channel because

1266
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:41,440
you're interested in theoretical physics

1267
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:43,200
consciousness and the ostensible

1268
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:44,640
connection between the two what's

1269
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:46,079
required to follow some of these

1270
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,160
arguments is facility with mathematics

1271
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:50,400
as well as discernment of the underlying

1272
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:52,160
physical laws and you may think that

1273
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:53,920
this is beyond you but that's false

1274
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:56,240
brilliant provides pelucid explanations

1275
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:58,640
of abstruse phenomenon such as quantum

1276
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,880
computing general relativity and even

1277
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,400
group theory when you hear that the

1278
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:04,800
standard model is based on u1 cross su 2

1279
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,880
cross su 3 that's group theory for

1280
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:08,480
example now this isn't just for

1281
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:10,960
neophytes either for example i have a

1282
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,640
degree in math and physics and i still

1283
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,640
found some of the intuitions given in

1284
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,640
these lessons to vastly aid my

1285
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:18,720
penetration into these subjects for

1286
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:20,640
example electricity and magnetism sign

1287
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1292
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:34,720
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1293
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:36,319
at which you comprehend subjects you

1294
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:38,559
previously had trouble grocking links

1295
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:39,920
are in the description

1296
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:42,400
do you think that some of the human

1297
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:44,800
looking alien not humanoid the

1298
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:46,400
i don't we need to give it a name so

1299
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:47,680
that when i'm referring to it you know

1300
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:49,040
what i'm referring to the human ones

1301
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:50,720
that came in that were there

1302
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:52,880
supposedly to calm you at least so those

1303
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:55,200
ones do you think they were the grays

1304
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:56,480
dressed up do you think they were a

1305
00:54:01,510 --> 00:53:58,079
projection did you get the impression

1306
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:03,430
well it would probably would have taken

1307
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:06,400
quite a bit of telepathic manipulation

1308
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:09,839
to make these smaller creatures appear

1309
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:12,720
to be the human looking ones so i'm

1310
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:14,319
thinking um

1311
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:17,280
they were either really were just earth

1312
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,960
people that were cooperating with this

1313
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:20,160
species

1314
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,119
or were a creation that they came up

1315
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:25,680
with in order to

1316
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:28,000
get me to cooperate

1317
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:29,680
when they were doing what they did to

1318
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:31,359
you whatever it was did you get the

1319
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:32,880
sense that it was routine like they've

1320
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:34,960
done this many times before and so they

1321
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:38,160
were cold and distant

1322
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:38,960
no

1323
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:41,839
the lack of communication in hindsight i

1324
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:43,440
think was because

1325
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:44,880
um

1326
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:46,720
telepathic communication was not

1327
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:47,920
possible

1328
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:49,680
in the um

1329
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:52,799
injured state of my entire body

1330
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:54,480
including my brain

1331
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:55,520
and

1332
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:57,760
wasn't because they didn't want to it's

1333
00:55:02,710 --> 00:54:59,839
just

1334
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:04,870
in the position to

1335
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:07,440
you know receive or

1336
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,319
or

1337
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:10,319
communicate i was basically screaming

1338
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:13,520
like a crazy man so um that's nothing

1339
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:16,880
that encourages conversation

1340
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:19,599
paul wash asks travis given that you've

1341
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:21,839
suffered for 45 years of obviously

1342
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:24,079
difficult trauma what would you say to

1343
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:26,079
your captors if you were given the

1344
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:28,720
opportunity to read from a victim impact

1345
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,359
statement lifelong fan by the way so

1346
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:33,359
that's paul wash basically what would

1347
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:34,720
you say if you could communicate to the

1348
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:36,960
aliens

1349
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:39,440
well i i would say the number one thing

1350
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:42,240
at the top of the list would be

1351
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:44,319
why

1352
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:46,960
you know to have an explanation so much

1353
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:48,559
of what i'm telling you is my own

1354
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:51,119
speculation that the kind of conclusions

1355
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,920
i come to to come to terms with this but

1356
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:56,079
this is you know after 40 some years of

1357
00:56:02,309 --> 00:56:00,589
what's the most recent paranormal

1358
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:02,319
paranormal-esque event you've

1359
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:03,839
experienced

1360
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:06,240
per i'm including ufo sightings as the

1361
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:08,160
paranormal whether or not you want to

1362
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:11,440
use that term you understand what i mean

1363
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:13,760
well

1364
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:16,240
um

1365
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:18,160
i try to stick to the things i can

1366
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:21,829
some

1367
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:23,760
pretty impressive things in my personal

1368
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:26,319
life but uh you know without

1369
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:34,069
i even

1370
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:36,480
tend to shy away from telling people

1371
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:37,839
about

1372
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:40,480
uh extremely unusual

1373
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:42,640
things i discover in the

1374
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:45,119
world you know scientific facts a little

1375
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,440
unknown animals and surprising sorts of

1376
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:49,680
things because

1377
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:51,839
they think it's attention seeking and

1378
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:54,240
they think it's just an exaggeration if

1379
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:56,720
they're the kind of person who doesn't

1380
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:59,040
want to believe what i have to say don't

1381
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,880
everything's conventional everything's

1382
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:02,559
normal that's what that's what people

1383
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,000
who say there is no other life outside

1384
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:08,319
of planet earth that is what they crave

1385
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:09,599
so

1386
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:14,960
that we don't have to consider the fact

1387
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:17,040
that there are literally trillions of

1388
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:18,400
planets

1389
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:21,119
in our own solar system

1390
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:23,839
um certainly billions of them

1391
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:27,520
are likely to be earth-like and

1392
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:29,599
i don't know it's it's terrifying for

1393
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:31,680
some people or maybe they like feeling

1394
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:33,119
special

1395
00:57:39,150 --> 00:57:36,319
and i've i actually you know

1396
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:39,160
asked people before so when you go

1397
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,760
outside at night and you look up at the

1398
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:43,280
sky

1399
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:44,480
and you see

1400
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:47,920
all these millions of stars

1401
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:49,760
you think that the creator just put them

1402
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:52,720
there to decorate our night sky just

1403
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:54,640
twinkle at us

1404
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:57,040
and they uh

1405
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:59,200
either say

1406
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:01,280
imply that they actually think that or

1407
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:03,040
they just duck the question

1408
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:05,119
i think the claim would be not that i

1409
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:06,640
believe this but i think the claim would

1410
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:08,640
be that there exists life on other

1411
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:10,720
planets but that's a different matter

1412
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:12,160
that's a different matter than if

1413
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:14,480
they've come here to inspect us or for

1414
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:16,880
some other reason

1415
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:19,839
well certainly and um there's even

1416
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:22,880
physics claims that you can't travel i

1417
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:25,280
mean um you look at the nearest star and

1418
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:26,880
it's so many

1419
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:29,520
light years away that conventional

1420
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:31,599
travel would mean that even at the speed

1421
00:58:34,829 --> 00:58:32,880
of light they would have to take that

1422
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:34,839
many years to get here

1423
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:37,440
but give me a break

1424
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:40,480
you know humans are just toddlers on the

1425
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:41,520
scene

1426
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:43,599
you go back just a few hundred years and

1427
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,760
the most technological thing we have is

1428
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:47,119
fire

1429
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:48,640
and uh

1430
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:51,440
to presume you know these people can't

1431
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:53,520
see that now we have cell phones that

1432
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:54,880
they're probably

1433
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,000
things a lot more unexpected and not

1434
00:59:01,510 --> 00:59:00,400
fitting with conventional thought on the

1435
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:01,520
subject

1436
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:02,640
um

1437
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:05,839
might be in our future

1438
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:07,280
um

1439
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:08,559
we talk about

1440
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:11,680
human history of a few thousand years

1441
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:13,760
of anything

1442
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:16,480
very complex

1443
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:20,480
and uh to presume that in

1444
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:22,799
a thousand a thousand no two thousand

1445
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:24,960
ten thousand

1446
00:59:30,549 --> 00:59:27,599
what about half a million

1447
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:30,559
so the age of these star systems

1448
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:33,119
the age of these stars and solar systems

1449
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,599
that exist out there

1450
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:37,440
uh it is so

1451
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:38,480
great

1452
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,680
that

1453
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,760
the degree to which they're advanced

1454
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:43,599
over us in terms of physics and

1455
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:44,960
understanding

1456
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:48,160
of science uh to make flat

1457
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:49,680
pronouncements i mean it happened you

1458
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:52,559
know lord kelvin he uh

1459
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:54,319
he was the inventor of the kelvin

1460
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:56,480
temperature scale he was quite uh an

1461
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:58,400
intellectual respected

1462
01:00:02,549 --> 01:00:00,880
scientist and he

1463
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:02,559
proclaimed that

1464
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:05,520
humans would never travel faster than

1465
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:07,680
i forget 30 miles an hour

1466
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:09,680
or the uh all the air would be sucked

1467
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:11,599
out of the conveyance and all the people

1468
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:14,160
would die so you know he he predicted

1469
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:16,400
nobody would go any faster than that but

1470
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:17,680
there's

1471
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:18,480
uh

1472
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:20,559
as a matter of fact stan friedman

1473
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:23,200
prominent uh scientist uh nuclear

1474
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:24,240
physicist

1475
01:00:28,150 --> 01:00:26,480
wrote a whole book called science was

1476
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:28,160
wrong

1477
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:30,720
recording the various pronouncements

1478
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:33,359
that the experts of the day said this is

1479
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:34,799
the limit

1480
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:37,599
and i'm up against that myself so who am

1481
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,400
i i'm not a nuclear physicist

1482
01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:42,400
daniel rayson here says as a witness

1483
01:00:46,549 --> 01:00:44,319
myself i'm glad this man is brave enough

1484
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:46,559
to take the ridicule for the rest of us

1485
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:49,200
now tim yousubov says travis you

1486
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:51,280
described ship controls in some

1487
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:53,200
interview how did you get to that room

1488
01:01:01,750 --> 01:00:57,440
and how long did you stay there

1489
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:01,760
i just ran there because of the uh my i

1490
01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:04,240
might resume my combativeness my threats

1491
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:06,000
towards these creatures

1492
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:09,599
they left and i just went seeking a way

1493
01:01:12,549 --> 01:01:10,400
out

1494
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:12,559
so when i entered that area that i only

1495
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:15,359
presume to be controls

1496
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:17,359
i have no no

1497
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:19,200
uh i'd uh

1498
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:21,280
confirmation that anything i was doing

1499
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:22,960
was actually moving the ship i didn't

1500
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:24,720
feel it move

1501
01:01:32,710 --> 01:01:31,270
what was the question again

1502
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:32,720
sure they want to know how did you get

1503
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:33,920
there and how long did you stay there

1504
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:36,160
for in this larger room oh well it was

1505
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:37,920
just moments

1506
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:41,040
and perhaps this um button pushing

1507
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:43,200
attempting to open the door when i

1508
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:45,359
didn't know where the ship was it was at

1509
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:47,920
an airless place uh i didn't even know

1510
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:50,720
but i was in hysterical panic and doing

1511
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:52,720
things that were probably unwise

1512
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:54,559
and i was uh

1513
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:56,319
encountered this human looking being who

1514
01:02:00,069 --> 01:01:59,039
led me out of there so it was only just

1515
01:02:01,829 --> 01:02:00,079
minutes

1516
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:01,839
you also mentioned you went down a ramp

1517
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:04,000
to get from the initial room to the to

1518
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:06,559
the second larger room can you describe

1519
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:09,680
the ramp was it smooth was it gray were

1520
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:15,430
this i was mainly concerned with where

1521
01:02:19,589 --> 01:02:17,680
they were taking me so i i was paying

1522
01:02:22,630 --> 01:02:19,599
attention to that and my other

1523
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:22,640
surroundings but the ramp itself

1524
01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:24,799
was not slippery

1525
01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:27,920
fortunately because it was steeper than

1526
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:29,680
you would normally

1527
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:32,880
consider comfortable to be descending

1528
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:35,520
um

1529
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:38,000
nothing's special just a ram did it open

1530
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:40,960
or was it already open

1531
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:45,750
and

1532
01:02:50,069 --> 01:02:48,160
i like detail so please entertain me for

1533
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:50,079
this as it's coming down or it was

1534
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:52,319
already down were there hinges that

1535
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:54,160
allowed it to come down that you saw or

1536
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:56,079
was it just i don't know i didn't see it

1537
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:57,520
in motion but

1538
01:03:03,270 --> 01:02:58,799
i

1539
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:03,280
close to open

1540
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:05,920
um the door that opened would probably

1541
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:07,359
would have triggered that if if it

1542
01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:10,240
weren't already down it could have been

1543
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:12,880
a section of the craft that merely

1544
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:14,400
slid down and

1545
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:16,720
took a different position

1546
01:03:21,750 --> 01:03:18,960
um i doubt it was something that just

1547
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:21,760
came out of the floor in the hangar area

1548
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:24,319
mp wants to know what does travis think

1549
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:27,839
about the contact event in south africa

1550
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:30,079
and about the visitors messages about

1551
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:33,520
the harm and dangers of technology

1552
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,079
have you heard of this

1553
01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:38,240
well i i

1554
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:41,520
have heard various claims and you know

1555
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:44,640
they told me to tell you this uh i like

1556
01:03:48,309 --> 01:03:46,000
i say i don't

1557
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:48,319
evaluate anyone else's

1558
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:49,359
case

1559
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:51,359
but it's just

1560
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:54,240
pure simple wisdom you know that humans

1561
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:56,880
had better wise up

1562
01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:58,480
we cannot go

1563
01:04:01,670 --> 01:04:00,079
on

1564
01:04:03,510 --> 01:04:01,680
at this rate

1565
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:03,520
when i was a kid

1566
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:05,920
uh the population of earth

1567
01:04:12,150 --> 01:04:08,640
was half what it is today

1568
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:12,160
and do we need to go another uh 40 years

1569
01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:13,760
and double again

1570
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:15,440
and just keep doubling and doubling and

1571
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:17,520
doubling um

1572
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:19,359
there these are limits

1573
01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:21,599
there are limits to growth you can't go

1574
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:22,480
on

1575
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:25,039
forever multiplying greater and greater

1576
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:28,000
and greater there's something

1577
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:30,480
more conscious and more aware needs to

1578
01:04:34,309 --> 01:04:32,480
be done so much of what's being

1579
01:04:35,589 --> 01:04:34,319
extracted from the earth

1580
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:35,599
is

1581
01:04:40,150 --> 01:04:37,920
finite

1582
01:04:42,309 --> 01:04:40,160
fossil fuels are fossil i mean are we

1583
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:42,319
going to go back into a big

1584
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:44,720
swamp age and and create a whole bunch

1585
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:47,200
more petroleum under the ground no

1586
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:48,880
no when they get it all pumped out of

1587
01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:50,160
the ground

1588
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:52,000
uh they're gonna have to think well now

1589
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:55,520
what are we gonna uh

1590
01:05:00,069 --> 01:04:57,440
lubricate our skateboards with or

1591
01:05:01,990 --> 01:05:00,079
whatever you know um

1592
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:02,000
it's um

1593
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:06,069
and there was a musician when i was a

1594
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:06,960
kid

1595
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:09,039
um the sun name of the album was after

1596
01:05:12,230 --> 01:05:10,640
the gold rush

1597
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:12,240
and that's what

1598
01:05:17,589 --> 01:05:14,880
humanity's expansion across this planet

1599
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:17,599
has been a gold rush

1600
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:19,920
you know charging headlong exploiting

1601
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:22,559
everything right and left and

1602
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:26,160
it's it's decimated so much of uh

1603
01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:28,079
what was

1604
01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:29,359
abundant and

1605
01:05:37,990 --> 01:05:34,829
we're gonna miss

1606
01:05:39,990 --> 01:05:38,000
it john doe wants to know do you recall

1607
01:05:42,549 --> 01:05:40,000
anything particular about the eyes of

1608
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:42,559
the beings so both either the humanoid

1609
01:05:46,470 --> 01:05:44,799
ones or the more human-like ones they're

1610
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:46,480
eye-calling oh yeah there was something

1611
01:05:50,789 --> 01:05:48,400
odd about the human-looking ones in

1612
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:50,799
terms of their eyes

1613
01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:53,119
and i never quite put my finger on that

1614
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:55,280
because like i say i wasn't studying

1615
01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:56,720
things out

1616
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:58,640
something

1617
01:06:01,990 --> 01:06:00,319
unusual

1618
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:02,000
and

1619
01:06:07,589 --> 01:06:06,480
concerning the grays was um

1620
01:06:08,789 --> 01:06:07,599
um

1621
01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:08,799
the stare

1622
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:11,440
it seemed to be penetrating in a very

1623
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:13,440
uncomfortable way

1624
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:19,349
but there were blinks at times

1625
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,599
and a lot of people report no blinking

1626
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:23,520
but uh no eyelids but there was

1627
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:26,400
definitely blinking in this case

1628
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:28,160
blinking with their own eyelids or with

1629
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:29,680
the film that came up and then

1630
01:06:35,829 --> 01:06:32,720
disappeared like a lizard

1631
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:35,839
it was like their own eyelids

1632
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:39,200
and you know on eyes that size it was

1633
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:40,720
quite a

1634
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:42,960
pronounced sort of thing

1635
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:44,160
their eyes

1636
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:46,880
is it primarily black or were you able

1637
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:48,640
to see a direction that they were

1638
01:06:56,069 --> 01:06:54,230
um

1639
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:56,079
i i didn't see things

1640
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:58,799
like a pupil or anything like that i

1641
01:07:01,430 --> 01:07:00,240
presume of course that they were looking

1642
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:01,440
at me because

1643
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:04,480
their faces were pointed towards me

1644
01:07:08,950 --> 01:07:07,680
fox into bush wants to know

1645
01:07:10,630 --> 01:07:08,960
now that you've been through this

1646
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:10,640
experience do you have advice in case

1647
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:12,480
someone else is in this a similar

1648
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:13,680
situation

1649
01:07:19,109 --> 01:07:15,359
let's take that two ways so one is that

1650
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:19,119
they're taken aboard okay and then also

1651
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:21,440
the post abduction

1652
01:07:26,309 --> 01:07:24,799
media frenzy so how

1653
01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:26,319
what advice

1654
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:28,079
would you give yourself let's say let's

1655
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:29,200
just take it

1656
01:07:32,230 --> 01:07:30,400
to be you

1657
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:32,240
what would you do differently in both

1658
01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:35,520
cases on the ship and then afterward

1659
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:37,200
well those are two completely different

1660
01:07:42,309 --> 01:07:38,960
questions but um

1661
01:07:45,430 --> 01:07:42,319
the um decision to approach

1662
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:45,440
and therefore you know sort of trigger

1663
01:07:49,109 --> 01:07:46,720
what happened

1664
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:49,119
uh was something i regret and wish i

1665
01:07:53,109 --> 01:07:50,640
hadn't happened

1666
01:07:54,069 --> 01:07:53,119
uh it's too much to handle

1667
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:54,079
um

1668
01:08:00,150 --> 01:07:58,000
as far as how to respond to uh

1669
01:08:03,029 --> 01:08:00,160
what happened afterwards

1670
01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:03,039
afterwards it was mostly negative

1671
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:05,200
and over the years it's

1672
01:08:08,549 --> 01:08:07,520
it's uh evolved there's

1673
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:08,559
there is

1674
01:08:14,470 --> 01:08:10,960
a lot of more positive

1675
01:08:17,110 --> 01:08:14,480
people recognizing things that they

1676
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:17,120
have themselves experienced but

1677
01:08:27,749 --> 01:08:24,550
still some negative because people

1678
01:08:30,630 --> 01:08:27,759
who might mistakenly consider it

1679
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:30,640
a threat to things they already believe

1680
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:32,239
have you met any people that have had

1681
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:37,269
yes

1682
01:08:43,510 --> 01:08:39,359
are any of them people who

1683
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:43,520
have public names that you can reference

1684
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:45,359
well i think we already went through

1685
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:47,440
this are there people that i'm going to

1686
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:49,920
vouch for without having investigated

1687
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:51,279
their case and

1688
01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:53,440
i'm sorry i'm just not going to do that

1689
01:08:58,390 --> 01:08:56,159
because then all there's many many

1690
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:58,400
people and some of them are friends

1691
01:09:03,110 --> 01:09:01,199
that uh well why not put me on that list

1692
01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:03,120
you know it's just

1693
01:09:05,990 --> 01:09:04,719
it's way too political okay how about

1694
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:06,000
this what was similar about the

1695
01:09:09,669 --> 01:09:07,679
experiences and what was different

1696
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:09,679
without divulging who the people were in

1697
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:11,920
particular

1698
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:14,400
well i i would say the idea of being

1699
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:16,719
blasted by uh some

1700
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:20,080
form of energy that may have killed me

1701
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:22,560
would be a unique feature but i've gone

1702
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:25,440
to a great deal of time to try to

1703
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:29,120
analyze what that was so much of what

1704
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:31,520
made them call it an abduction rather

1705
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:33,199
than the term i

1706
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:36,239
i now prefer which is ambulance call

1707
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:38,799
is that this blast of energy was an

1708
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:41,279
accident took years of research to find

1709
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:43,040
out that the

1710
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:45,440
area where we were there

1711
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:47,759
is one of the highest frequency of

1712
01:09:52,149 --> 01:09:50,319
lightning strikes of any place

1713
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:52,159
in the united states

1714
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:53,759
and that this

1715
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:55,840
the presence of this craft or the field

1716
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:58,239
it generates may have triggered a

1717
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:00,320
discharge of energy

1718
01:10:04,870 --> 01:10:03,040
with me as the um

1719
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:04,880
the ground wire

1720
01:10:10,709 --> 01:10:08,560
uh something kind of unexpected

1721
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:10,719
and that sort of contributes to what

1722
01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:12,560
were they doing there

1723
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:16,159
were they there to take one of us one of

1724
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:19,360
the other crewmen alan dwayne

1725
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:24,870
um

1726
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:26,880
no i don't think that was part of the

1727
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:29,040
deal i think um

1728
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:31,520
i and this is pure speculation

1729
01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:33,440
that this high frequency of lightning

1730
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:36,800
strikes has to do with the fact that

1731
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:39,840
when lightning strikes the earth

1732
01:10:44,310 --> 01:10:42,480
crystals are formed that are not formed

1733
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:44,320
geologically

1734
01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:46,880
they're rare but quite exotic in terms

1735
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:50,480
of the properties that they are you know

1736
01:10:57,270 --> 01:10:56,310
and it's called phobia right

1737
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:57,280
so

1738
01:11:01,910 --> 01:11:00,239
lines of

1739
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:01,920
um they're

1740
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:02,960
looking

1741
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:05,440
prospecting for fault right

1742
01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:06,800
so you think the high density of

1743
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:08,159
lightning strikes

1744
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:11,920
is the precipitator of the ufos or that

1745
01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:14,080
the ufos induce the high lightning

1746
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:20,630
i would say the the first the former uh

1747
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:21,840
that

1748
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:23,280
the ufos

1749
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,320
uh may be in that area because of the

1750
01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:28,560
high frequency of lightning and the

1751
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:35,830
speculation of course uh to understand

1752
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:37,520
i'm not saying i know that i don't mind

1753
01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:39,120
speculation man i'm a fan of it

1754
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:41,679
personally so six pool says can travis

1755
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:43,679
describe what the graves were wearing if

1756
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:46,560
any what was the material made of can he

1757
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:48,159
discern any

1758
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:53,669
well um

1759
01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:55,040
they um

1760
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:57,679
were wearing coveralls loose fitting

1761
01:12:02,149 --> 01:11:59,440
coveralls

1762
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:04,070
orangish brown color

1763
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:05,920
soft velour

1764
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:07,520
not shiny

1765
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:08,560
um

1766
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:10,480
i didn't pick up any details other than

1767
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:11,920
that

1768
01:12:17,189 --> 01:12:14,000
do you happen to know how long the

1769
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:17,199
duration is that you remember

1770
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:19,600
inside the craft like is it you remember

1771
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:21,120
only a minute that would just be an

1772
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:24,239
estimation the the conscious period

1773
01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:26,080
was

1774
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:27,760
um

1775
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:29,600
you could you could you know take it off

1776
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:32,080
in terms of you know

1777
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:33,600
um

1778
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:35,600
minutes and hours or that sort of thing

1779
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:38,239
but certainly nothing that fills up five

1780
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:39,760
days

1781
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:41,120
and that is

1782
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:43,040
or was um

1783
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:45,280
a blank for me for so long what was the

1784
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:47,280
state of your body because i imagine

1785
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:49,360
that if you were not eating for five

1786
01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:50,560
days you would look drastically

1787
01:12:53,189 --> 01:12:52,159
different

1788
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:53,199
were you

1789
01:13:02,630 --> 01:12:59,669
uh must have been according to medical

1790
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:02,640
tests uh they say that if your body is

1791
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:05,679
feeding on itself that it generates

1792
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:08,000
what's called ketones

1793
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:10,239
and those were absents

1794
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:11,120
although

1795
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:14,000
uh there was evidently quite a bit of

1796
01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:15,840
dehydration

1797
01:13:19,510 --> 01:13:17,120
um

1798
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:19,520
i was weighed

1799
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:22,880
uh immediately after the incident as

1800
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:24,880
soon as my brother got me back to my

1801
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:26,480
mother's house

1802
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:28,480
and then

1803
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:30,880
by the time i went into dr kandel's

1804
01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:31,840
office

1805
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:34,480
bringing those same scales with me

1806
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:36,719
uh there was a recovery of at least five

1807
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:38,000
pounds so

1808
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:40,719
um just from hydration

1809
01:13:44,830 --> 01:13:42,800
just probably hydration i was very

1810
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:44,840
thirsty that was so

1811
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:48,480
um major point in

1812
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:50,800
me describing how i felt a five pound

1813
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:52,960
difference from when you arrive naked

1814
01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:55,440
you're weighing yourself correct

1815
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:57,920
i wasn't naked that's hollywood but uh

1816
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:59,600
from the time i was recovered from the

1817
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:00,719
phone booth

1818
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:03,040
uh to the time i was in the doctor's

1819
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:05,120
office the following money the five

1820
01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:07,040
pounds sounds quite significant so i'm

1821
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:08,560
wondering if any of that

1822
01:14:12,470 --> 01:14:10,480
difference was because of clothing

1823
01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:12,480
change where was there a difference in

1824
01:14:15,669 --> 01:14:13,600
clothing between your initial

1825
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:15,679
measurement and then

1826
01:14:26,229 --> 01:14:16,480
well

1827
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:27,669
so you just said that something was

1828
01:14:32,790 --> 01:14:29,840
hollywood that the naked was

1829
01:14:33,910 --> 01:14:32,800
only an artifact of hollywood

1830
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:33,920
yeah

1831
01:14:40,390 --> 01:14:37,920
nudity in that movie that didn't get

1832
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:40,400
used fortunately but uh

1833
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:42,480
it's just kind of one of those things

1834
01:14:47,189 --> 01:14:44,480
that hollywood tends to do i'm

1835
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:47,199
interested in a remake that doesn't

1836
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:53,350
okay so sorry i want to make sure i'm

1837
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:54,880
understanding this so

1838
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:58,080
in hollywood they

1839
01:15:02,470 --> 01:14:59,760
falsely presented you as naked on a

1840
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:04,630
naked on the floor of the phone booth i

1841
01:15:08,830 --> 01:15:06,320
see okay okay but

1842
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:11,910
naked yes when i came back to the house

1843
01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:13,840
my brother removed the clothes sealed

1844
01:15:16,709 --> 01:15:15,840
them up in a sealed bag

1845
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:16,719
and

1846
01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:23,120
when you were scanned were there any

1847
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:26,159
abnormalities someone here is asking if

1848
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:28,080
you had an x-ray and there was

1849
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:30,560
a device in you or a small piece you

1850
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:32,320
mentioned that there was a grain well i

1851
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:36,320
mentioned the small calcified granuloma

1852
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:39,840
which is no longer there on any x-rays

1853
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:43,440
also an actual brainwave scan

1854
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:46,080
uh barrow's neurological institute is

1855
01:15:51,189 --> 01:15:48,080
where this was done

1856
01:15:53,910 --> 01:15:51,199
and this was where muhammad ali

1857
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:53,920
moved to phoenix just to be near this

1858
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:55,360
hospital

1859
01:16:00,149 --> 01:15:57,600
and the technician was not told who i

1860
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:00,159
was he wasn't attaching any significance

1861
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:03,040
to a description of what happened i was

1862
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:05,360
actually put in there under a false name

1863
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:08,560
so it was a double-blinded uh

1864
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:10,080
examination

1865
01:16:15,510 --> 01:16:13,360
and they found uh what was described

1866
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:15,520
i have still have the report

1867
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:16,880
as a

1868
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:19,360
bi-synchronous alternating wave

1869
01:16:24,149 --> 01:16:21,760
traveling from front to back

1870
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:24,159
and i have undergone

1871
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:25,600
subsequent

1872
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:28,400
scans that did not show that

1873
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:30,640
so i'm thinking it could have just been

1874
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:33,760
an artifact of recent injury that was in

1875
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:35,440
the process of healing

1876
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:37,679
what's this wave what is the consequence

1877
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:39,600
of it what does it mean by synchronous

1878
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:42,880
alternating so both hemispheres were

1879
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:44,880
the technician didn't say this this

1880
01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:47,440
shows that he was hit with electricity i

1881
01:16:52,630 --> 01:16:50,080
would love to uh

1882
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:52,640
see uh scans

1883
01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:53,600
um

1884
01:16:58,229 --> 01:16:56,159
electro encephalograph done on people

1885
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:58,239
who might have been hit by lightning or

1886
01:17:02,470 --> 01:17:00,320
maybe an electrician who stood up under

1887
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:02,480
a live wire or something like that at

1888
01:17:07,030 --> 01:17:04,880
least something of that nature to see if

1889
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:07,040
this kind of a pattern

1890
01:17:11,910 --> 01:17:09,760
is a feature of certain types of injury

1891
01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:11,920
or impact with

1892
01:17:15,910 --> 01:17:14,000
large amounts of energy or force did

1893
01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:15,920
they tell you anything else about that

1894
01:17:19,590 --> 01:17:18,080
particular brainwave pattern here's an

1895
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:19,600
example there's something called alpha

1896
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:21,040
waves and then there's theta waves i'm

1897
01:17:24,790 --> 01:17:22,800
sure you've heard of this

1898
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:24,800
and they correspond to different

1899
01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:26,239
feelings of consciousness or different

1900
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:28,800
modes like one is a more meditative mode

1901
01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:30,480
another others more cognitive thinking

1902
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:31,760
creative mode

1903
01:17:37,430 --> 01:17:34,640
so what's the significance of this

1904
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:37,440
wave that they found on you

1905
01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:39,760
maybe none but uh i'm just telling you

1906
01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:41,440
that you know people say what did the

1907
01:17:46,229 --> 01:17:43,679
test reveal and this is what came out

1908
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:46,239
this technician

1909
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:48,320
had no idea what i'd been through and

1910
01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:49,360
what

1911
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:57,990
being told to look for something of that

1912
01:18:02,870 --> 01:17:58,880
sort

1913
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:05,510
something that came up and maybe

1914
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:06,960
insignificant

1915
01:18:12,310 --> 01:18:09,520
um i mean good grief we i don't know

1916
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:12,320
anything about eegs what if what if just

1917
01:18:19,189 --> 01:18:18,149
um hysterical for five days uh you know

1918
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:19,199
uh

1919
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:22,320
could make you have an eeg of a certain

1920
01:18:26,950 --> 01:18:24,239
characteristic

1921
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:26,960
but uh i don't know

1922
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:28,480
i'm just saying if there is any

1923
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:30,560
significance to that i'll have to go

1924
01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:34,000
back and read that eeg again and uh

1925
01:18:38,709 --> 01:18:36,880
see if they were referring to uh theta

1926
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:38,719
waves alpha waves any of that sort of

1927
01:18:42,790 --> 01:18:40,400
thing do you have a pen and paper in

1928
01:18:44,950 --> 01:18:42,800
front of you

1929
01:18:48,310 --> 01:18:44,960
within arm's reach yeah

1930
01:18:51,189 --> 01:18:48,320
remember i said that i love details

1931
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:51,199
do you mind showing me some of the

1932
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:52,960
lines on the screen because as you were

1933
01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:54,960
describing them i can't visualize what

1934
01:18:57,910 --> 01:18:56,320
you're saying you're saying there's some

1935
01:18:59,590 --> 01:18:57,920
lines and lines coming off but there are

1936
01:19:01,990 --> 01:18:59,600
no markings

1937
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:02,000
to indicate certain positions

1938
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:08,870
this screen

1939
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:10,560
you saw it

1940
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:12,320
where within

1941
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:17,430
uh it was mounted on the arm of the of a

1942
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:18,640
chair

1943
01:19:23,189 --> 01:19:19,920
um

1944
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:23,199
it's just long uh lines

1945
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:25,120
with short lines

1946
01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:26,880
but they didn't have numbers on each of

1947
01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:29,040
the little

1948
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:30,560
short lines

1949
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:32,480
and they would move in response to

1950
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:35,679
things i did yeah i see it but

1951
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:37,679
didn't reveal any information to me i

1952
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:38,800
mean

1953
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:40,560
so they moved in response to you you

1954
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:42,080
didn't get the sense that that was a map

1955
01:19:46,870 --> 01:19:44,159
of something else it actually was

1956
01:19:47,910 --> 01:19:46,880
congruent with your emotions so when you

1957
01:19:50,229 --> 01:19:47,920
turned

1958
01:19:53,510 --> 01:19:50,239
the signals changed

1959
01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:53,520
well that's a possibility too

1960
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:55,600
what else is common between your

1961
01:19:59,990 --> 01:19:57,520
experience and some of the other people

1962
01:20:01,270 --> 01:20:00,000
who you're not going to name but

1963
01:20:02,390 --> 01:20:01,280
the ones that you personally find

1964
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:02,400
credible you said that there are some

1965
01:20:11,830 --> 01:20:09,590
well um

1966
01:20:14,629 --> 01:20:11,840
i had an experience when i was a small

1967
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:16,950
i can't document it my brothers and

1968
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:20,800
sisters remember this i'm telling them

1969
01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:22,719
at the time it happened i was telling

1970
01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:24,560
this happened and they said no it was a

1971
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:27,520
dream but i never confused any dream

1972
01:20:32,790 --> 01:20:30,560
with reality or any such thing never

1973
01:20:34,950 --> 01:20:32,800
anything of this sort so

1974
01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:34,960
it was a very real experience encounter

1975
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:36,560
a single being

1976
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:38,400
um

1977
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:39,760
that

1978
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:41,440
was like a gray

1979
01:20:46,149 --> 01:20:43,600
i didn't call it an alien i just said it

1980
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:46,159
was a little man with the bald head and

1981
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:47,600
big eyes

1982
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:49,440
and um

1983
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:52,320
he was dressed in a black suit

1984
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:53,840
and i thought that was interesting

1985
01:20:58,870 --> 01:20:56,880
because i found out later that

1986
01:21:01,669 --> 01:20:58,880
betty hills

1987
01:21:05,350 --> 01:21:01,679
beings were dressed in black suits

1988
01:21:08,629 --> 01:21:05,360
it was nighttime where the lights off

1989
01:21:12,070 --> 01:21:08,639
yeah we were all sleeping um

1990
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:12,080
it was a huge house and um

1991
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:13,600
in phoenix uh

1992
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:15,840
cooled by evaporative coolers

1993
01:21:20,149 --> 01:21:19,120
so during the hottest part of the year

1994
01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:20,159
we would

1995
01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:22,719
make bed rolls lay in the hallway where

1996
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:25,120
this giant cooler came down the hallway

1997
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:28,719
and cooling us all off and uh so i woke

1998
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:31,040
up because i felt my

1999
01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:36,709
someone had picked up the bottom of the

2000
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:38,080
blanket

2001
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:40,560
and that woke me up it's not like oh i'm

2002
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:43,360
dreaming an alien is coming no it was a

2003
01:21:47,669 --> 01:21:45,840
small man and i didn't know

2004
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:47,679
what was lifting me until i looked to

2005
01:21:53,270 --> 01:21:50,320
see what was lifting me in

2006
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:53,280
this little guy and i started to call

2007
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:57,120
out and he dropped and ran off

2008
01:22:01,110 --> 01:21:58,480
when you were young you would describe

2009
01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:01,120
it as a little man now thinking back

2010
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:03,440
is it the same type of entity that you

2011
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:05,360
saw on this ship

2012
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:06,960
or do you not have a great recollection

2013
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:08,480
of it

2014
01:22:13,750 --> 01:22:11,040
i'd say it was very similar if not the

2015
01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:13,760
same as the people on the ship a small

2016
01:22:18,390 --> 01:22:16,239
man bald head very

2017
01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:18,400
pale chalky skin

2018
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:21,520
uh huge eyes

2019
01:22:25,270 --> 01:22:22,800
and

2020
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:25,280
dressed in black but i i didn't call it

2021
01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:28,159
an alien never did i just was insisting

2022
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:28,880
to

2023
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:37,199
the only time i ever said this really

2024
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:38,719
happened and they were saying it was a

2025
01:22:43,350 --> 01:22:41,440
dream but see that's that's one of those

2026
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:43,360
stories that people are going to say oh

2027
01:22:45,990 --> 01:22:44,560
he's just

2028
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:46,000
uh

2029
01:22:49,350 --> 01:22:47,840
living here you know

2030
01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:49,360
no uh

2031
01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:51,199
i would i i don't have

2032
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:52,719
um

2033
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:54,800
20 witnesses here

2034
01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:56,320
it's just something i'm not concerned

2035
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:57,280
with

2036
01:23:03,189 --> 01:23:01,120
i i want to know

2037
01:23:04,870 --> 01:23:03,199
a bit more about the commonalities we

2038
01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:04,880
were talking about so you just talked

2039
01:23:10,149 --> 01:23:07,040
about your own experience again now when

2040
01:23:12,550 --> 01:23:10,159
you spoke with other people who have had

2041
01:23:15,189 --> 01:23:12,560
similar experiences to yourself what's

2042
01:23:17,189 --> 01:23:15,199
similar is what i'm curious

2043
01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:17,199
about

2044
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:18,800
is this going to get turned into

2045
01:23:23,350 --> 01:23:21,120
travis's endorsement of some cases and

2046
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:23,360
rejection of others no you don't have to

2047
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:29,270
well it still you know it boils down to

2048
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:31,920
that eventually but uh you know there's

2049
01:23:37,910 --> 01:23:34,400
definitely a connection that

2050
01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:37,920
and a style of presentation and them

2051
01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:40,480
recalling what happened and describing

2052
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:41,199
it

2053
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:43,199
um

2054
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:45,840
other kinds of subtle sorts of things

2055
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:47,520
and i don't want to give anybody a list

2056
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:48,560
of things

2057
01:23:52,229 --> 01:23:49,760
to to

2058
01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:52,239
add to their next story but uh

2059
01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:53,600
definitely

2060
01:23:57,430 --> 01:23:55,440
certain things that

2061
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:57,440
bring a bell

2062
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,040
and uh

2063
01:24:03,510 --> 01:24:01,440
not just in the experience itself not

2064
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:03,520
just in the experience itself but

2065
01:24:07,030 --> 01:24:04,880
in the way

2066
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:07,040
they related it to people and the way

2067
01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:08,719
people related to them

2068
01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:10,880
there seems to be a

2069
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:15,830
what do you mean in the way that they

2070
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:18,960
relate it is similar what do you mean

2071
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:22,000
i don't want to go there come on man

2072
01:24:29,910 --> 01:24:25,840
i can't i can't do that to people

2073
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:29,920
um i was immersed mercilessly um

2074
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:33,360
parentally read and and criticized and

2075
01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:36,320
uh all this all this stuff uh

2076
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:38,000
well that that doesn't match this

2077
01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:40,800
doesn't match that and it all come back

2078
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:41,600
to

2079
01:24:46,310 --> 01:24:44,080
get the facts you don't even you didn't

2080
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:46,320
even research my case you know people

2081
01:24:51,669 --> 01:24:49,120
are making criticisms and analyzing what

2082
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:51,679
happened and they don't even know what's

2083
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:59,030
like you know a debunker who says well

2084
01:25:02,229 --> 01:25:00,800
travis was never at that phone booth he

2085
01:25:05,189 --> 01:25:02,239
was always

2086
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:05,199
in his mother's cabin or something

2087
01:25:10,149 --> 01:25:08,400
if they do their research duh

2088
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:10,159
they know

2089
01:25:14,550 --> 01:25:11,760
that the operator listened in on the

2090
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:14,560
call and notified the sheriff

2091
01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:17,360
he sent up uh people over there to uh

2092
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:18,719
take

2093
01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:19,920
fingerprints

2094
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:20,960
so

2095
01:25:25,110 --> 01:25:23,040
there's all kinds of things where oh

2096
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:25,120
those guys were out there hallucinating

2097
01:25:30,070 --> 01:25:27,520
on drugs no

2098
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,080
a law enforcement entity

2099
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:32,400
took samples from my body immediately

2100
01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:34,560
afterwards not one trace of any drug

2101
01:25:40,149 --> 01:25:37,920
whatsoever so um these kinds of it's

2102
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:40,159
easy to just wipe it away with the back

2103
01:25:43,270 --> 01:25:41,360
of your hand

2104
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:43,280
seven people don't have the same

2105
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:45,840
hallucination

2106
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:46,880
detail

2107
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:56,229
the the idea that it was um

2108
01:26:02,550 --> 01:26:00,239
a hallucination induced by

2109
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:02,560
earthquake lights you know

2110
01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:04,159
the rim there is a

2111
01:26:08,470 --> 01:26:05,520
is

2112
01:26:09,510 --> 01:26:08,480
a giant fault in the ground so the

2113
01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:09,520
theory

2114
01:26:13,910 --> 01:26:11,760
that people were offering was that

2115
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:13,920
earthquake lights

2116
01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:16,800
are what generated this blast of energy

2117
01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:19,360
which actually came out of me and went

2118
01:26:24,149 --> 01:26:21,360
right to a craft

2119
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:24,159
but but anyway that went through my

2120
01:26:30,790 --> 01:26:26,800
brain and made me hallucinate well

2121
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:30,800
the guys in the truck 90 feet away um

2122
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:32,080
they didn't

2123
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:34,960
uh they weren't touching the ground and

2124
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:37,760
and how could a blast of earthquake

2125
01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:40,159
lights uh affect them

2126
01:26:45,270 --> 01:26:43,600
and more importantly why would all seven

2127
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:45,280
of us

2128
01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:50,149
people are really reaching when they

2129
01:26:53,830 --> 01:26:52,800
grab for these ways of trying to explain

2130
01:26:56,149 --> 01:26:53,840
it away

2131
01:26:59,510 --> 01:26:56,159
but there's

2132
01:27:02,550 --> 01:26:59,520
quite a variety to them and

2133
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:04,070
juanita grand

2134
01:27:08,070 --> 01:27:06,239
grand wants to know i recall him talking

2135
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:08,080
about the temperature and dryness of the

2136
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:10,000
air inside the craft i would like to

2137
01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:11,199
know if he's noticed anything else

2138
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:13,360
strange obviously there's plenty strange

2139
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:16,080
but something else that you haven't

2140
01:27:20,790 --> 01:27:18,480
spoken much about if not at all not

2141
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:20,800
really just uh

2142
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:22,880
i was

2143
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:26,400
feeling injured and so maybe

2144
01:27:29,189 --> 01:27:28,400
the suffocating feeling came from that

2145
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:29,199
but

2146
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:31,600
um the the human looking

2147
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:33,280
being who took me out of there was

2148
01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:36,080
wearing a helmet on his head so that was

2149
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:37,199
probably

2150
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:39,280
i would think to protect him from the

2151
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:44,149
or maybe to

2152
01:27:48,790 --> 01:27:46,320
avoid contaminating the interior of the

2153
01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:48,800
craft i don't know but um it does

2154
01:27:55,990 --> 01:27:51,120
suggest that

2155
01:28:01,030 --> 01:27:58,870
it did feel immediately cooler

2156
01:28:01,990 --> 01:28:01,040
and easier to breathe as soon as we got

2157
01:28:06,310 --> 01:28:02,000
outside

2158
01:28:10,149 --> 01:28:06,320
could still be inside the craft into the

2159
01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:12,390
see to me when i'm visualizing this i

2160
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:14,800
only think in terms of craft so i think

2161
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:16,400
in terms of this is a small craft inside

2162
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:17,600
a larger craft but the way you're

2163
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:19,520
describing it is this it's as if it's a

2164
01:28:23,750 --> 01:28:21,760
blue or a craft inside of a large

2165
01:28:25,669 --> 01:28:23,760
building somewhere it could be just a

2166
01:28:27,669 --> 01:28:25,679
hanger on the ground somewhere

2167
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:27,679
if you had to make a guess as to how

2168
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:29,760
large it was how many feet away could

2169
01:28:33,669 --> 01:28:31,760
you see your meters how large would you

2170
01:28:35,590 --> 01:28:33,679
characterize it well before i quote a

2171
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:35,600
figure i really ought to get meditate on

2172
01:28:40,629 --> 01:28:37,440
that a bit you know figure out what the

2173
01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:40,639
size would be it was quite a bit larger

2174
01:28:46,390 --> 01:28:44,800
big enough for these things to fly into

2175
01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:46,400
i would assume they flew in there i

2176
01:28:49,990 --> 01:28:48,560
didn't see them flying

2177
01:28:51,510 --> 01:28:50,000
i know you said you need to think about

2178
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:51,520
it some more

2179
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:53,440
more than four times the size of the

2180
01:29:00,550 --> 01:28:59,510
is that correct

2181
01:29:02,709 --> 01:29:00,560
yeah

2182
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:02,719
more

2183
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:09,270
i would say you know

2184
01:29:13,189 --> 01:29:11,520
got to be bigger than 200 feet you know

2185
01:29:16,070 --> 01:29:13,199
if there's

2186
01:29:17,669 --> 01:29:16,080
a couple of craft in there 40 feet in

2187
01:29:20,390 --> 01:29:17,679
diameter

2188
01:29:22,950 --> 01:29:20,400
um that adds up to 80 but they're spaced

2189
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:22,960
by maybe 30. you know i'm just off the

2190
01:29:28,470 --> 01:29:24,800
top of my head saying

2191
01:29:33,350 --> 01:29:31,030
mj jumps wants to know before you die

2192
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:33,360
will you reveal if you've had any other

2193
01:29:43,270 --> 01:29:41,189
well that would be like admitting that i

2194
01:29:45,030 --> 01:29:43,280
had it so

2195
01:29:46,229 --> 01:29:45,040
that's a loaded question sneaky way

2196
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:46,239
around the question

2197
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:47,760
how about this is there more to come

2198
01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:50,400
from travis walton

2199
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:53,280
yes yeah i think so

2200
01:29:56,390 --> 01:29:54,480
someone wants to know about high

2201
01:29:57,910 --> 01:29:56,400
strangeness it's this term that keeps

2202
01:29:59,750 --> 01:29:57,920
coming up over and over which i'm sure

2203
01:30:01,350 --> 01:29:59,760
you're familiar with

2204
01:30:04,470 --> 01:30:01,360
have you experienced any high

2205
01:30:06,950 --> 01:30:04,480
strangeness after your event

2206
01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:06,960
yeah but it wasn't witnessed by multiple

2207
01:30:10,070 --> 01:30:08,480
witnesses so

2208
01:30:12,550 --> 01:30:10,080
well

2209
01:30:13,830 --> 01:30:12,560
now see i could i sense such reservation

2210
01:30:15,430 --> 01:30:13,840
on your part and i imagine that's

2211
01:30:18,070 --> 01:30:15,440
because you've been

2212
01:30:19,350 --> 01:30:18,080
excoriated to such a degree that you

2213
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:19,360
don't want

2214
01:30:23,990 --> 01:30:22,080
that it hurts you to be criticized even

2215
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:24,000
a little bit or at least for people to

2216
01:30:27,590 --> 01:30:26,080
look at you with skeptical eyes

2217
01:30:28,790 --> 01:30:27,600
is that the main reason that you don't

2218
01:30:30,950 --> 01:30:28,800
like to talk about what can't be

2219
01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:30,960
corroborated

2220
01:30:36,229 --> 01:30:34,320
yeah i i'm interested in making people

2221
01:30:39,030 --> 01:30:36,239
understand that this is a real

2222
01:30:41,510 --> 01:30:39,040
phenomenon that this really happened in

2223
01:30:44,550 --> 01:30:41,520
anything like what happened to me that

2224
01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:44,560
one night well no one else uh but my

2225
01:30:51,990 --> 01:30:49,360
family knew uh um

2226
01:30:53,830 --> 01:30:52,000
to to people that want to find a reason

2227
01:30:55,990 --> 01:30:53,840
to disbelieve they're going to think of

2228
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:56,000
that as an embellishment or some sort of

2229
01:31:00,870 --> 01:30:58,159
a an attention getter it's something

2230
01:31:03,110 --> 01:31:00,880
that really happened and

2231
01:31:05,350 --> 01:31:03,120
the family whole family verifies it but

2232
01:31:06,550 --> 01:31:05,360
that's not that's not enough witnesses

2233
01:31:07,830 --> 01:31:06,560
to qualify

2234
01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:07,840
um

2235
01:31:11,750 --> 01:31:10,320
in today's world

2236
01:31:13,270 --> 01:31:11,760
what other items did you see on the

2237
01:31:14,470 --> 01:31:13,280
craft so you mentioned a rod that was a

2238
01:31:16,470 --> 01:31:14,480
glass

2239
01:31:18,550 --> 01:31:16,480
that you took and you started swinging

2240
01:31:20,550 --> 01:31:18,560
well those other instruments were not

2241
01:31:22,790 --> 01:31:20,560
anything i would recognize

2242
01:31:23,910 --> 01:31:22,800
i didn't look like uh i'm familiar with

2243
01:31:26,709 --> 01:31:23,920
tools

2244
01:31:29,189 --> 01:31:26,719
and some medical instruments

2245
01:31:30,709 --> 01:31:29,199
uh i was actually

2246
01:31:35,990 --> 01:31:30,719
eventually

2247
01:31:39,990 --> 01:31:38,709
i took the state test

2248
01:31:42,310 --> 01:31:40,000
on

2249
01:31:46,149 --> 01:31:42,320
midwifery

2250
01:31:47,270 --> 01:31:46,159
and uh it was offered by this state of

2251
01:31:49,750 --> 01:31:47,280
arizona

2252
01:31:52,390 --> 01:31:49,760
to bring all of the

2253
01:31:54,310 --> 01:31:52,400
lay midwives in

2254
01:31:56,310 --> 01:31:54,320
you know many who had been practicing

2255
01:31:59,510 --> 01:31:56,320
under doctors for years

2256
01:32:03,030 --> 01:31:59,520
into an official licensing situation

2257
01:32:04,629 --> 01:32:03,040
so the offer was come in take this test

2258
01:32:06,390 --> 01:32:04,639
and uh

2259
01:32:08,070 --> 01:32:06,400
it was just a spur-of-the-moment thing i

2260
01:32:10,149 --> 01:32:08,080
didn't plan it i only heard about it a

2261
01:32:11,270 --> 01:32:10,159
couple of days before the test

2262
01:32:13,270 --> 01:32:11,280
went in and

2263
01:32:14,790 --> 01:32:13,280
i got the second highest score out of

2264
01:32:17,350 --> 01:32:14,800
the whole group

2265
01:32:21,189 --> 01:32:19,110
maybe it's a

2266
01:32:23,350 --> 01:32:21,199
genetic thing i don't know my father was

2267
01:32:26,390 --> 01:32:23,360
a doctor

2268
01:32:28,790 --> 01:32:26,400
actually an obstetrician

2269
01:32:31,189 --> 01:32:28,800
can you draw some of what you saw in

2270
01:32:33,430 --> 01:32:31,199
terms of the devices that

2271
01:32:36,229 --> 01:32:33,440
you can't recognize or you can't places

2272
01:32:38,149 --> 01:32:36,239
just a comment quick glance what what's

2273
01:32:39,350 --> 01:32:38,159
the biggest thing here what can i use

2274
01:32:41,110 --> 01:32:39,360
for a weapon

2275
01:32:43,669 --> 01:32:41,120
that's all um

2276
01:32:48,870 --> 01:32:43,679
there was a thing that looked

2277
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:52,070
i'm sorry

2278
01:32:56,229 --> 01:32:54,709
this is that time of day when i get

2279
01:32:58,390 --> 01:32:56,239
robo calls

2280
01:33:02,390 --> 01:32:58,400
do you mind turning off the ringer

2281
01:33:06,709 --> 01:33:04,149
someone okay so cloud in seattle wants

2282
01:33:09,430 --> 01:33:06,719
to know has travis ever tried ce5 since

2283
01:33:10,950 --> 01:33:09,440
the incident and if so what were his

2284
01:33:11,990 --> 01:33:10,960
takeaways

2285
01:33:13,669 --> 01:33:12,000
what is

2286
01:33:16,310 --> 01:33:13,679
what's that i don't know because people

2287
01:33:19,270 --> 01:33:16,320
keep mentioning ce5 so if those in the

2288
01:33:22,310 --> 01:33:19,280
comments can let me know what ce5 is

2289
01:33:24,709 --> 01:33:22,320
then i can i don't know travis know okay

2290
01:33:27,669 --> 01:33:24,719
so i probably didn't try it uh

2291
01:33:29,110 --> 01:33:27,679
is that a type of hypnosis is that uh is

2292
01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:29,120
he the reason why it's taken me a while

2293
01:33:32,390 --> 01:33:31,280
to come up with questions is because

2294
01:33:34,470 --> 01:33:32,400
not only am i reading some of the

2295
01:33:36,390 --> 01:33:34,480
audience questions but i'm

2296
01:33:40,790 --> 01:33:36,400
i want to ask you

2297
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:40,800
these

2298
01:33:47,910 --> 01:33:43,760
beings but i don't want you to

2299
01:33:50,870 --> 01:33:47,920
be on the defensive because i'm not a

2300
01:33:54,149 --> 01:33:50,880
i'm not a debunker i'm not a skeptic

2301
01:33:56,070 --> 01:33:54,159
i'm on your side or at least

2302
01:33:57,189 --> 01:33:56,080
i'm not against you i appreciate that

2303
01:33:59,669 --> 01:33:57,199
but you know

2304
01:34:01,990 --> 01:33:59,679
the audience is huge and anybody that

2305
01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:02,000
wants to take something and turn it into

2306
01:34:09,590 --> 01:34:07,910
theirs are actually few and far between

2307
01:34:13,110 --> 01:34:09,600
but there's

2308
01:34:17,990 --> 01:34:16,229
do you think that these

2309
01:34:19,590 --> 01:34:18,000
that these people the ones with helmets

2310
01:34:20,709 --> 01:34:19,600
that calmed you

2311
01:34:22,550 --> 01:34:20,719
that were there or at least you think

2312
01:34:24,310 --> 01:34:22,560
were there to calm you do you think that

2313
01:34:28,229 --> 01:34:24,320
they walk among us

2314
01:34:29,830 --> 01:34:28,239
have you seen any strange people

2315
01:34:32,310 --> 01:34:29,840
yeah i actually said that that they

2316
01:34:34,950 --> 01:34:32,320
would pass in a crowd you wouldn't go

2317
01:34:37,510 --> 01:34:34,960
whoa there's that kind of odd looking

2318
01:34:39,270 --> 01:34:37,520
robotic human or something like that

2319
01:34:41,430 --> 01:34:39,280
no i think that they would pass in a

2320
01:34:42,709 --> 01:34:41,440
crowd yeah have you seen any people but

2321
01:34:44,149 --> 01:34:42,719
you said that they gave you a strange

2322
01:34:46,070 --> 01:34:44,159
feeling at least with their eyes it

2323
01:34:47,590 --> 01:34:46,080
wasn't

2324
01:34:49,189 --> 01:34:47,600
there's something not right about their

2325
01:34:51,270 --> 01:34:49,199
eyes

2326
01:34:53,189 --> 01:34:51,280
have you encountered any people like

2327
01:34:55,590 --> 01:34:53,199
that i never could put my finger on

2328
01:34:57,189 --> 01:34:55,600
exactly what it was

2329
01:34:59,590 --> 01:34:57,199
color the way they

2330
01:35:01,270 --> 01:34:59,600
the pupil constricts or whatever i i

2331
01:35:04,229 --> 01:35:01,280
don't know but just something

2332
01:35:06,390 --> 01:35:04,239
a little unusual about that so ce5 is a

2333
01:35:08,149 --> 01:35:06,400
term describing the fifth category of

2334
01:35:10,870 --> 01:35:08,159
close encounters with extraterrestrial

2335
01:35:12,870 --> 01:35:10,880
intelligence characterized by mutual

2336
01:35:15,030 --> 01:35:12,880
bilateral communication rather than

2337
01:35:19,030 --> 01:35:15,040
unilateral contact

2338
01:35:24,550 --> 01:35:21,990
well i stick to the stuff i can document

2339
01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:28,310
nothing to report there

2340
01:35:31,270 --> 01:35:29,920
that's i know that's disappointing

2341
01:35:32,709 --> 01:35:31,280
people love

2342
01:35:34,229 --> 01:35:32,719
there's so many people that have had an

2343
01:35:37,270 --> 01:35:34,239
experience and they'll

2344
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:37,280
expound on whatever

2345
01:35:44,470 --> 01:35:42,709
how do these alien creatures feed

2346
01:35:46,149 --> 01:35:44,480
themselves have you had any thoughts on

2347
01:35:48,550 --> 01:35:46,159
that now this question comes from henry

2348
01:35:52,070 --> 01:35:49,990
well that's a

2349
01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:52,080
you know an interesting question people

2350
01:35:55,910 --> 01:35:54,000
would love to know that but

2351
01:35:57,109 --> 01:35:55,920
uh i didn't see their kitchen and we

2352
01:35:59,510 --> 01:35:57,119
were

2353
01:36:02,390 --> 01:35:59,520
not in any sort of a situation on how i

2354
01:36:04,709 --> 01:36:02,400
was fed if i was or how they feed

2355
01:36:06,470 --> 01:36:04,719
themselves or don't know

2356
01:36:08,149 --> 01:36:06,480
that's just a

2357
01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:08,159
complete unknown

2358
01:36:12,070 --> 01:36:10,480
okay david reed says

2359
01:36:13,910 --> 01:36:12,080
first of all travis respect you for

2360
01:36:14,950 --> 01:36:13,920
sticking with your story i myself have

2361
01:36:18,629 --> 01:36:14,960
witnessed

2362
01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:18,639
a ufo in majorca in september 1995. i've

2363
01:36:22,550 --> 01:36:20,400
only discussed it with my wife question

2364
01:36:24,550 --> 01:36:22,560
considering how long it took you to come

2365
01:36:26,390 --> 01:36:24,560
to terms with come to terms with your

2366
01:36:28,229 --> 01:36:26,400
experience do you think that the human

2367
01:36:30,070 --> 01:36:28,239
race is ready to accept for some time

2368
01:36:34,390 --> 01:36:30,080
now that we've been observed by

2369
01:36:40,149 --> 01:36:37,430
i do think that uh humans are getting

2370
01:36:42,229 --> 01:36:40,159
closer and closer to that this whole

2371
01:36:46,229 --> 01:36:42,239
big lead up to a big

2372
01:36:48,470 --> 01:36:46,239
release of information from in congress

2373
01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:48,480
was sort of a

2374
01:36:53,590 --> 01:36:51,040
letdown it wasn't uh

2375
01:36:55,590 --> 01:36:53,600
as forthcoming as it was promised but i

2376
01:36:57,590 --> 01:36:55,600
the fact that it existed at all is a

2377
01:37:00,470 --> 01:36:57,600
major step forward

2378
01:37:00,480 --> 01:37:04,470
basically

2379
01:37:09,189 --> 01:37:07,830
to uh have official channels acknowledge

2380
01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:09,199
that there

2381
01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:12,400
is something there that isn't ours and

2382
01:37:15,109 --> 01:37:14,080
uh

2383
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:15,119
um

2384
01:37:18,790 --> 01:37:17,199
whether they just uh

2385
01:37:21,350 --> 01:37:18,800
their conscience got to them they

2386
01:37:23,109 --> 01:37:21,360
decided to come clean and tell us i i

2387
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:23,119
don't think that's the case it was just

2388
01:37:27,750 --> 01:37:25,040
a matter of

2389
01:37:30,629 --> 01:37:27,760
the evidence is piling up too high to

2390
01:37:31,990 --> 01:37:30,639
rely on ridicule and dismissing the

2391
01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:32,000
witnesses

2392
01:37:35,270 --> 01:37:33,360
was not

2393
01:37:37,750 --> 01:37:35,280
reducing their credibility it was

2394
01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:37,760
reducing the government's credibility

2395
01:37:41,590 --> 01:37:39,040
so they

2396
01:37:43,669 --> 01:37:41,600
you know finally acknowledge yes there's

2397
01:37:45,830 --> 01:37:43,679
things we can't

2398
01:37:47,350 --> 01:37:45,840
explain in terms of uh

2399
01:37:51,430 --> 01:37:47,360
conventional

2400
01:37:53,189 --> 01:37:51,440
whatever so that was a step forward and

2401
01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:53,199
you know it's interesting it was kind of

2402
01:38:11,189 --> 01:37:54,560
a

2403
01:38:13,830 --> 01:38:11,199
they do

2404
01:38:15,109 --> 01:38:13,840
when um

2405
01:38:18,390 --> 01:38:15,119
they want to

2406
01:38:20,870 --> 01:38:18,400
something to be out there but to get

2407
01:38:23,350 --> 01:38:20,880
a minimum of attention

2408
01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:23,360
uh it sort of gets ignored until the

2409
01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:25,679
next news cycle and by monday there'll

2410
01:38:31,030 --> 01:38:27,840
be a whole pile of other things to

2411
01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:31,040
divert attention so it doesn't

2412
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:32,639
doesn't uh

2413
01:38:36,470 --> 01:38:34,480
it's a

2414
01:38:38,149 --> 01:38:36,480
a soft bombshell

2415
01:38:40,070 --> 01:38:38,159
going back to your childhood

2416
01:38:41,590 --> 01:38:40,080
you said that there was this alien or at

2417
01:38:43,189 --> 01:38:41,600
least a little man you weren't sure what

2418
01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:43,199
it was at the time

2419
01:38:46,149 --> 01:38:45,199
and it was wearing black

2420
01:38:48,550 --> 01:38:46,159
now

2421
01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:48,560
the ones on this ship were wearing a

2422
01:38:55,270 --> 01:38:50,960
light blue if i recall

2423
01:38:59,270 --> 01:38:57,030
orangish brown

2424
01:39:01,189 --> 01:38:59,280
okay so they're wearing orange

2425
01:39:03,430 --> 01:39:01,199
slash brown

2426
01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:03,440
what type of material is it did could

2427
01:39:06,310 --> 01:39:04,880
you see that they're wearing clothing

2428
01:39:07,990 --> 01:39:06,320
for example with me you could see a bit

2429
01:39:10,149 --> 01:39:08,000
of a shadow from a light it was

2430
01:39:11,350 --> 01:39:10,159
extremely tight fitting

2431
01:39:12,629 --> 01:39:11,360
but you were able to tell it was

2432
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:12,639
clothing because it was a different it

2433
01:39:17,350 --> 01:39:14,960
was different than their skin color

2434
01:39:20,629 --> 01:39:17,360
it was loose fitting and

2435
01:39:26,470 --> 01:39:20,639
sort of billowy a little bit but um

2436
01:39:33,189 --> 01:39:30,629
grain in a fabric is more like velour

2437
01:39:34,070 --> 01:39:33,199
but uh i was riveted on the eyes i

2438
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:34,080
wasn't

2439
01:39:37,990 --> 01:39:36,080
thinking about you know

2440
01:39:40,550 --> 01:39:38,000
what are these clothes made out of or

2441
01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:40,560
that kind of thing you know

2442
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:42,480
all of us think wow if we were in that

2443
01:39:45,990 --> 01:39:44,159
kind of an opportunity

2444
01:39:48,870 --> 01:39:46,000
to you know learn these things that's

2445
01:39:51,109 --> 01:39:48,880
the sort of thing we'd be uh um

2446
01:39:54,470 --> 01:39:51,119
i'm sorry i i tried to turn this thing

2447
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:54,480
off but it just

2448
01:39:57,430 --> 01:39:55,440
that's all right that's all right that's

2449
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:57,440
what i said hello moto which is what it

2450
01:40:00,870 --> 01:39:58,960
normally does when i turned off okay

2451
01:40:02,550 --> 01:40:00,880
that's all right vox vesper wanna know

2452
01:40:03,990 --> 01:40:02,560
did you at any point during your oh i'm

2453
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:04,000
gonna stick this thing under the

2454
01:40:07,990 --> 01:40:05,840
mattress

2455
01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:08,000
sure did you at any point during your

2456
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:09,920
abduction experience have a feeling of

2457
01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:16,229
no

2458
01:40:30,790 --> 01:40:29,030
trying to enjoy the experience

2459
01:40:32,550 --> 01:40:30,800
tim yousubov wants to know could you

2460
01:40:33,669 --> 01:40:32,560
talk more about what the ship lighting

2461
01:40:35,910 --> 01:40:33,679
was

2462
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:35,920
at the other facility i assume he means

2463
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:42,870
well

2464
01:40:47,350 --> 01:40:44,390
looking like

2465
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:47,360
gentle sunlight

2466
01:40:52,470 --> 01:40:49,440
nothing to describe is just normal

2467
01:40:53,669 --> 01:40:52,480
lighting normal the colors of looking at

2468
01:40:55,830 --> 01:40:53,679
my uh

2469
01:40:57,189 --> 01:40:55,840
you know self and

2470
01:41:01,270 --> 01:40:57,199
things around me

2471
01:41:03,189 --> 01:41:01,280
there wasn't any unusual cast of things

2472
01:41:05,030 --> 01:41:03,199
randall mattel wants to know do you

2473
01:41:12,550 --> 01:41:05,040
think the beings you encountered were

2474
01:41:19,270 --> 01:41:15,350
i'm not sure what the question means

2475
01:41:23,830 --> 01:41:20,870
i i don't i don't understand the

2476
01:41:28,310 --> 01:41:26,229
were the craft generating beings is that

2477
01:41:30,550 --> 01:41:28,320
what they're saying yes like projections

2478
01:41:32,310 --> 01:41:30,560
or perhaps somehow these beings are

2479
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:32,320
integrated within the craft was there a

2480
01:41:34,950 --> 01:41:33,760
difference between there's obviously a

2481
01:41:36,709 --> 01:41:34,960
difference between the craft and the

2482
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:36,719
beings but did you get a sense that

2483
01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:44,390
well i didn't i didn't get any feeling

2484
01:41:49,669 --> 01:41:47,119
other than pain and fear uh

2485
01:41:51,430 --> 01:41:49,679
sorry i wasn't wasn't all tuned in and

2486
01:41:53,990 --> 01:41:51,440
spiritual but uh

2487
01:41:57,430 --> 01:41:56,229
all those kinds of things could exist

2488
01:42:00,550 --> 01:41:57,440
but i

2489
01:42:02,310 --> 01:42:00,560
i wasn't experiencing that way

2490
01:42:03,910 --> 01:42:02,320
jason brown wants to know please ask

2491
01:42:06,310 --> 01:42:03,920
travis if there was any physical

2492
01:42:08,229 --> 01:42:06,320
evidence in the area the craft

2493
01:42:11,270 --> 01:42:08,239
interacted with him i recall you talked

2494
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:11,280
about tree rings but what else

2495
01:42:19,109 --> 01:42:15,360
yes definitely uh there was initially

2496
01:42:21,750 --> 01:42:19,119
magnetic readings that were taken

2497
01:42:23,109 --> 01:42:21,760
scanning across the clearing taking

2498
01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:23,119
measurements

2499
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:28,629
charting it all out

2500
01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:29,760
and

2501
01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:32,239
the report was that there was a polarity

2502
01:42:36,070 --> 01:42:34,480
reversal in the direction the craft had

2503
01:42:37,510 --> 01:42:36,080
departed

2504
01:42:40,070 --> 01:42:37,520
i uh

2505
01:42:40,830 --> 01:42:40,080
never got to see this evidence i would

2506
01:42:42,629 --> 01:42:40,840
love

2507
01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:42,639
to um

2508
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:45,119
i believe the the the

2509
01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:48,480
ufologists that were taking the reading

2510
01:42:55,910 --> 01:42:53,669
were from uh something no i i can't say

2511
01:43:00,310 --> 01:42:55,920
for sure who who it was but it was it

2512
01:43:02,229 --> 01:43:00,320
was uh recognizable names in ufology

2513
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:02,239
but um

2514
01:43:07,350 --> 01:43:05,520
there was also a report later

2515
01:43:23,189 --> 01:43:07,360
that

2516
01:43:26,229 --> 01:43:23,199
taking magnetic readings on the ground

2517
01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:26,239
and she just found that curious because

2518
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:27,440
normally

2519
01:43:32,229 --> 01:43:30,000
such readings would be

2520
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:32,239
taken from an instrument suspended under

2521
01:43:36,070 --> 01:43:34,080
an airplane but uh

2522
01:43:38,390 --> 01:43:36,080
they were doing it directly on the

2523
01:43:40,070 --> 01:43:38,400
ground in the area

2524
01:43:43,990 --> 01:43:40,080
um

2525
01:43:49,109 --> 01:43:45,830
she saw the team and

2526
01:43:52,310 --> 01:43:50,790
i could go back and ask her more about

2527
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:52,320
what they might have told her because

2528
01:43:58,310 --> 01:43:55,920
she was a reporter for the local paper

2529
01:43:59,669 --> 01:43:58,320
if you still are in contact with her be

2530
01:44:02,070 --> 01:43:59,679
great if you could

2531
01:44:05,510 --> 01:44:02,080
and then you could just email me also

2532
01:44:07,750 --> 01:44:05,520
okay dynamite biz quits wants to know

2533
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:07,760
ask him if the gravity was the same

2534
01:44:11,750 --> 01:44:10,080
or different when you woke up so on the

2535
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:11,760
craft did you notice that you were able

2536
01:44:18,470 --> 01:44:17,270
good question

2537
01:44:19,510 --> 01:44:18,480
i felt

2538
01:44:21,910 --> 01:44:19,520
heavy

2539
01:44:22,629 --> 01:44:21,920
like i could barely make myself move it

2540
01:44:26,070 --> 01:44:22,639
took

2541
01:44:28,149 --> 01:44:26,080
able to

2542
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:28,159
do the things i did

2543
01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:30,000
but i took

2544
01:44:35,910 --> 01:44:33,360
mistook or whatever interpreted that

2545
01:44:41,350 --> 01:44:35,920
weakness to be

2546
01:44:46,830 --> 01:44:43,430
the improvement in my energy level and

2547
01:44:50,870 --> 01:44:46,840
everything when i got outside the craft

2548
01:44:53,030 --> 01:44:50,880
um could could uh indicate that there

2549
01:44:54,950 --> 01:44:53,040
was heavier gravity generated inside

2550
01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:54,960
that craft for some reason

2551
01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:55,840
um

2552
01:45:01,750 --> 01:44:58,880
if the beings in their home planet uh

2553
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:01,760
have a heavier gravity it would also

2554
01:45:08,149 --> 01:45:05,360
contribute to a denser atmosphere

2555
01:45:11,189 --> 01:45:08,159
more my speculation after 40 years a

2556
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:11,199
denser atmosphere perhaps cutting down

2557
01:45:14,149 --> 01:45:13,119
on the amount of light reaching the

2558
01:45:15,669 --> 01:45:14,159
surface

2559
01:45:17,669 --> 01:45:15,679
of the planet

2560
01:45:20,310 --> 01:45:17,679
which might explain

2561
01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:20,320
the large eyes large eyes have got to

2562
01:45:22,390 --> 01:45:21,119
mean

2563
01:45:24,709 --> 01:45:22,400
either of

2564
01:45:26,790 --> 01:45:24,719
some kind of an environment where light

2565
01:45:28,950 --> 01:45:26,800
is limited i would think

2566
01:45:30,390 --> 01:45:28,960
um are they nocturnal maybe that would

2567
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:30,400
be the reason but

2568
01:45:38,709 --> 01:45:34,719
if they aren't nocturnal then perhaps

2569
01:45:44,390 --> 01:45:41,590
where the atmosphere is heavy denser and

2570
01:45:46,950 --> 01:45:44,400
less light reaches the surface

2571
01:45:49,030 --> 01:45:46,960
did you notice any strangeness or

2572
01:45:52,229 --> 01:45:49,040
anything abnormal about how the aliens

2573
01:45:54,950 --> 01:45:52,239
walked so firstly did you see the gray's

2574
01:45:59,910 --> 01:45:57,109
yes and it was just a real quick light

2575
01:46:02,550 --> 01:45:59,920
scurrying um they actually so you know

2576
01:46:04,790 --> 01:46:02,560
when i was made contact with one of them

2577
01:46:06,950 --> 01:46:04,800
with the back of my arm

2578
01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:06,960
it was a lot lighter than i expected it

2579
01:46:11,189 --> 01:46:09,360
fell back

2580
01:46:13,030 --> 01:46:11,199
very easily

2581
01:46:15,189 --> 01:46:13,040
so they just scurry i know that some

2582
01:46:16,470 --> 01:46:15,199
people say that they move they shuffle

2583
01:46:21,910 --> 01:46:16,480
like

2584
01:46:23,990 --> 01:46:21,920
did you notice any strange movement i

2585
01:46:25,510 --> 01:46:24,000
didn't get any insects like compressions

2586
01:46:27,350 --> 01:46:25,520
at all was there a difference between

2587
01:46:28,629 --> 01:46:27,360
how the greys moved versus the more

2588
01:46:30,070 --> 01:46:28,639
human-like

2589
01:46:32,310 --> 01:46:30,080
beings

2590
01:46:33,430 --> 01:46:32,320
the human-looking ones moved like humans

2591
01:46:34,310 --> 01:46:33,440
and

2592
01:46:36,709 --> 01:46:34,320
the

2593
01:46:39,270 --> 01:46:36,719
grays just moved like

2594
01:46:41,109 --> 01:46:39,280
very light quick

2595
01:46:42,950 --> 01:46:41,119
beings

2596
01:46:44,310 --> 01:46:42,960
considering the ufo radiation could have

2597
01:46:45,910 --> 01:46:44,320
killed you have you ever thought that

2598
01:46:49,990 --> 01:46:45,920
they grabbed you to heal you this one

2599
01:46:55,189 --> 01:46:52,870
yeah definitely because the evidence of

2600
01:46:57,430 --> 01:46:55,199
radiation in the trees

2601
01:46:58,870 --> 01:46:57,440
would suggest that i

2602
01:47:00,870 --> 01:46:58,880
would

2603
01:47:03,350 --> 01:47:00,880
myself have been exposed to a large

2604
01:47:05,910 --> 01:47:03,360
amount and that could have been part of

2605
01:47:07,830 --> 01:47:05,920
what the treatment was or maybe quite a

2606
01:47:09,189 --> 01:47:07,840
lot of it i don't know

2607
01:47:11,350 --> 01:47:09,199
and

2608
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:11,360
one other thing is that

2609
01:47:16,390 --> 01:47:14,159
the crewman that was sitting to my left

2610
01:47:17,830 --> 01:47:16,400
when i got out of the truck i left the

2611
01:47:20,390 --> 01:47:17,840
door open

2612
01:47:23,270 --> 01:47:20,400
and he did develop skin cancer on his

2613
01:47:25,669 --> 01:47:23,280
right forearm which

2614
01:47:28,550 --> 01:47:25,679
would been probably the most

2615
01:47:31,270 --> 01:47:28,560
exposed part of his whole anatomy

2616
01:47:32,870 --> 01:47:31,280
but again it could be

2617
01:47:34,149 --> 01:47:32,880
a coincidence

2618
01:47:37,590 --> 01:47:34,159
can you talk some more about how this

2619
01:47:45,030 --> 01:47:37,600
has affected your view on death and god

2620
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:50,070
well

2621
01:47:55,750 --> 01:47:53,189
if you were a really super highly

2622
01:47:57,590 --> 01:47:55,760
technological

2623
01:48:00,470 --> 01:47:57,600
civilization

2624
01:48:04,629 --> 01:48:03,430
understanding of life prosperous far

2625
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:04,639
beyond

2626
01:48:09,510 --> 01:48:06,960
anything

2627
01:48:12,229 --> 01:48:09,520
that we have

2628
01:48:16,070 --> 01:48:12,239
you would think one of the

2629
01:48:22,790 --> 01:48:20,310
to eliminate disease especially aging

2630
01:48:24,629 --> 01:48:22,800
so that's a speculation on my part but i

2631
01:48:26,070 --> 01:48:24,639
would think that perhaps that's an

2632
01:48:28,470 --> 01:48:26,080
indication that they're extremely

2633
01:48:31,270 --> 01:48:28,480
long-lived and maybe even

2634
01:48:32,229 --> 01:48:31,280
uh long-lived enough to tolerate

2635
01:48:34,709 --> 01:48:32,239
uh

2636
01:48:37,030 --> 01:48:34,719
years of flight to get here if that were

2637
01:48:39,830 --> 01:48:37,040
necessary

2638
01:48:42,950 --> 01:48:39,840
what do you make of cali waldrip who

2639
01:48:44,550 --> 01:48:42,960
said that you concocted an

2640
01:48:47,109 --> 01:48:44,560
abduction story

2641
01:48:49,350 --> 01:48:47,119
and i'll just read this quote i happened

2642
01:48:50,709 --> 01:48:49,360
across your referring to michael shermer

2643
01:48:53,350 --> 01:48:50,719
your assessment

2644
01:48:56,629 --> 01:48:53,360
of travis walton's alleged abduction

2645
01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:56,639
aboard a ufo in 1975. your suspicion

2646
01:49:00,629 --> 01:48:58,800
that it was a hoax is completely correct

2647
01:49:02,709 --> 01:49:00,639
i know these you can respond to this

2648
01:49:05,430 --> 01:49:02,719
shortly travis and i were in junior high

2649
01:49:07,830 --> 01:49:05,440
school back together

2650
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:07,840
together back in the early 60s and he

2651
01:49:11,109 --> 01:49:09,600
was constantly dreaming up schemes to

2652
01:49:14,310 --> 01:49:11,119
deceive folks

2653
01:49:16,870 --> 01:49:14,320
that a ufo was visiting

2654
01:49:19,750 --> 01:49:16,880
i haven't seen him in decades and

2655
01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:19,760
i reminded him of that in 2006 via email

2656
01:49:24,470 --> 01:49:22,000
he changed the subject

2657
01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:24,480
i found the online bio

2658
01:49:28,470 --> 01:49:26,239
suggesting that we weren't in the same

2659
01:49:31,910 --> 01:49:28,480
grade school were the same age but his

2660
01:49:33,990 --> 01:49:31,920
bio lists him five so there's various

2661
01:49:37,589 --> 01:49:34,000
assertions there how would you respond

2662
01:49:43,990 --> 01:49:40,629
like i say people who knew you are eager

2663
01:49:45,510 --> 01:49:44,000
to say i've got the inside story

2664
01:49:47,430 --> 01:49:45,520
well

2665
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:47,440
he's got some

2666
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:49,920
amazing tales um

2667
01:49:54,070 --> 01:49:51,840
himself

2668
01:49:54,870 --> 01:49:54,080
he was my best friend

2669
01:49:58,629 --> 01:49:54,880
and

2670
01:50:00,629 --> 01:49:58,639
it was actually his idea to

2671
01:50:02,310 --> 01:50:00,639
put up a hot air balloon or something

2672
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:02,320
but uh

2673
01:50:06,390 --> 01:50:05,040
he became an fbi agent

2674
01:50:08,470 --> 01:50:06,400
and uh

2675
01:50:11,270 --> 01:50:08,480
the only contact i've had with him was

2676
01:50:13,109 --> 01:50:11,280
years ago and he was describing how he

2677
01:50:14,229 --> 01:50:13,119
was basically

2678
01:50:16,070 --> 01:50:14,239
um

2679
01:50:18,470 --> 01:50:16,080
ducking and dodging around the planet to

2680
01:50:21,589 --> 01:50:18,480
avoid being assassinated in connection

2681
01:50:24,070 --> 01:50:21,599
with his previous work his previous job

2682
01:50:25,030 --> 01:50:24,080
well maybe it's true sounds kind of wild

2683
01:50:27,750 --> 01:50:25,040
though

2684
01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:27,760
but uh he's definitely exaggerating

2685
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:30,239
anything that was said between us

2686
01:50:34,709 --> 01:50:33,360
like i said people love to get attention

2687
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:34,719
uh

2688
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:36,800
i know this guy you know i'll tell you

2689
01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:39,119
the inside story

2690
01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:40,400
you know he's not in a position to add

2691
01:50:45,910 --> 01:50:43,040
anything positive so it's great to

2692
01:50:49,510 --> 01:50:45,920
attack your best friend but uh whatever

2693
01:50:55,109 --> 01:50:52,790
no we just um you know i moved

2694
01:50:56,149 --> 01:50:55,119
to a different city you called him your

2695
01:50:59,430 --> 01:50:56,159
best friend

2696
01:51:02,070 --> 01:50:59,440
you mean prior or even now

2697
01:51:03,430 --> 01:51:02,080
during our during our junior high years

2698
01:51:06,070 --> 01:51:03,440
you know we hung out together all the

2699
01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:06,080
time but uh i guarantee you ufos were

2700
01:51:10,470 --> 01:51:09,119
not a constant topic of conversation you

2701
01:51:15,669 --> 01:51:10,480
mentioned something about a hot air

2702
01:51:18,709 --> 01:51:16,629
um

2703
01:51:22,870 --> 01:51:18,719
this is something he's saying

2704
01:51:25,030 --> 01:51:22,880
that i said but uh i only remembered him

2705
01:51:27,669 --> 01:51:25,040
suggesting such a thing

2706
01:51:31,830 --> 01:51:29,669
it's terrible somebody would come out

2707
01:51:34,310 --> 01:51:31,840
there and attack you like that

2708
01:51:38,709 --> 01:51:34,320
do you think that he just wants fame

2709
01:51:43,910 --> 01:51:41,189
well just like i said you know i'm the

2710
01:51:46,070 --> 01:51:43,920
guy that's gonna i got the inside story

2711
01:51:48,070 --> 01:51:46,080
i know this person you know

2712
01:51:51,350 --> 01:51:48,080
it's like the guy who says i called him

2713
01:51:54,070 --> 01:51:51,360
first before i called my family

2714
01:51:57,189 --> 01:51:54,080
it's um in that case not attempting to

2715
01:51:59,109 --> 01:51:57,199
do any harm just to attach yourself

2716
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:59,119
to something that's got a lot of

2717
01:52:04,950 --> 01:52:01,280
attention i mean there were three or

2718
01:52:07,109 --> 01:52:04,960
four girls that i had dated who had some

2719
01:52:08,870 --> 01:52:07,119
stories to tell when everybody's talking

2720
01:52:10,550 --> 01:52:08,880
about that guy

2721
01:52:12,310 --> 01:52:10,560
and uh

2722
01:52:13,270 --> 01:52:12,320
things that weren't true

2723
01:52:15,189 --> 01:52:13,280
and this

2724
01:52:16,390 --> 01:52:15,199
email communication he references in

2725
01:52:18,390 --> 01:52:16,400
2006

2726
01:52:20,310 --> 01:52:18,400
he said he brought it up to you

2727
01:52:22,470 --> 01:52:20,320
i'm unsure exactly what he's referring

2728
01:52:24,229 --> 01:52:22,480
to i assume he means

2729
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:24,239
that you were quote-unquote trying to

2730
01:52:27,510 --> 01:52:26,400
deceive and so on but then you change

2731
01:52:28,709 --> 01:52:27,520
the subject do you know what he's

2732
01:52:30,629 --> 01:52:28,719
referring to

2733
01:52:32,550 --> 01:52:30,639
do you recall this

2734
01:52:33,669 --> 01:52:32,560
kelly waldrop

2735
01:52:36,390 --> 01:52:33,679
i'll just give you the quote he said i'm

2736
01:52:38,350 --> 01:52:36,400
actually reminded i reminded him of this

2737
01:52:41,270 --> 01:52:38,360
referring to what we just spoke about in

2738
01:52:43,669 --> 01:52:41,280
2006 via email and he simply changed the

2739
01:52:46,950 --> 01:52:43,679
subject not wanting to crack his golden

2740
01:52:51,669 --> 01:52:49,109
that's what kelly said what i said was i

2741
01:52:53,910 --> 01:52:51,679
don't remember you had an idea like that

2742
01:52:55,270 --> 01:52:53,920
he was accusing me of an idea

2743
01:52:57,589 --> 01:52:55,280
um

2744
01:53:01,109 --> 01:52:59,669
like i say it's the same

2745
01:53:03,830 --> 01:53:01,119
same thing you know

2746
01:53:05,109 --> 01:53:03,840
he's using my prior friendship with him

2747
01:53:07,430 --> 01:53:05,119
to

2748
01:53:08,470 --> 01:53:07,440
elevate himself here

2749
01:53:12,790 --> 01:53:08,480
uh

2750
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:12,800
does he in any way speak to

2751
01:53:17,270 --> 01:53:15,040
seven people passing police lie detector

2752
01:53:19,350 --> 01:53:17,280
test does he speak to

2753
01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:19,360
the effect of radiation on tree growth

2754
01:53:23,750 --> 01:53:22,560
does he uh you know any of those kinds

2755
01:53:26,470 --> 01:53:23,760
of things

2756
01:53:30,310 --> 01:53:26,480
the guy's an fbi agent or a former fbi

2757
01:53:35,910 --> 01:53:33,030
resort to evidence and

2758
01:53:37,430 --> 01:53:35,920
the facts of the case

2759
01:53:39,350 --> 01:53:37,440
attack

2760
01:53:40,870 --> 01:53:39,360
let's address the facts when you can't

2761
01:53:42,790 --> 01:53:40,880
address the facts

2762
01:53:44,550 --> 01:53:42,800
attack the person so

2763
01:53:46,310 --> 01:53:44,560
that's what's happening does it hurt you

2764
01:53:47,430 --> 01:53:46,320
because he's a former friend of yours i

2765
01:53:49,510 --> 01:53:47,440
imagine that

2766
01:53:51,109 --> 01:53:49,520
if that was me i would be

2767
01:53:52,790 --> 01:53:51,119
not only offended but

2768
01:53:57,830 --> 01:53:52,800
saddened

2769
01:54:00,390 --> 01:53:58,629
well

2770
01:54:02,870 --> 01:54:00,400
of course it's uh

2771
01:54:03,669 --> 01:54:02,880
it's sad you know and i'd always thought

2772
01:54:05,750 --> 01:54:03,679
about

2773
01:54:08,149 --> 01:54:05,760
contacting him

2774
01:54:10,310 --> 01:54:08,159
because i had heard some the story

2775
01:54:13,189 --> 01:54:10,320
second hand from somebody

2776
01:54:15,589 --> 01:54:13,199
that i worked with at the paper mill

2777
01:54:18,950 --> 01:54:15,599
that he had said something like that

2778
01:54:25,270 --> 01:54:22,550
kind of uh fell in him in on the details

2779
01:54:27,510 --> 01:54:25,280
don't be jumping to conclusions guy

2780
01:54:29,990 --> 01:54:27,520
but apparently he has

2781
01:54:32,149 --> 01:54:30,000
to each his own

2782
01:54:34,229 --> 01:54:32,159
eve clancy wants to know do you believe

2783
01:54:38,149 --> 01:54:34,239
yourself to have been abducted more than

2784
01:54:44,870 --> 01:54:41,189
it's possible but you know um

2785
01:54:46,709 --> 01:54:44,880
in any other case it would have been

2786
01:54:48,070 --> 01:54:46,719
something where you know memories are

2787
01:54:51,109 --> 01:54:48,080
blocked or something of that nature

2788
01:54:53,669 --> 01:54:51,119
where you're unconscious

2789
01:54:55,589 --> 01:54:53,679
bilbo baggins wants to know does travis

2790
01:54:57,189 --> 01:54:55,599
think the recent uaps

2791
01:54:59,270 --> 01:54:57,199
are related to the craft in his

2792
01:55:02,390 --> 01:54:59,280
experience or is it maybe a different

2793
01:55:07,030 --> 01:55:02,400
phenomenon so there's been plenty of uap

2794
01:55:10,629 --> 01:55:08,149
there's a question i think that the

2795
01:55:12,629 --> 01:55:10,639
recent uap disclosures the ufos

2796
01:55:14,550 --> 01:55:12,639
associated with them are similar if not

2797
01:55:17,430 --> 01:55:14,560
the same to the one that abducted you or

2798
01:55:18,629 --> 01:55:17,440
the ones that you've seen

2799
01:55:22,229 --> 01:55:18,639
oh um

2800
01:55:25,589 --> 01:55:22,239
as far as you know these various reports

2801
01:55:27,109 --> 01:55:25,599
uh i don't think that the typical flying

2802
01:55:29,910 --> 01:55:27,119
saucer

2803
01:55:32,709 --> 01:55:29,920
uh is necessarily

2804
01:55:35,109 --> 01:55:32,719
the exclusive

2805
01:55:38,470 --> 01:55:35,119
form of these ships

2806
01:55:45,750 --> 01:55:42,070
some are spherical some are triangular

2807
01:55:47,830 --> 01:55:45,760
there's the tic tac shape that the

2808
01:55:49,990 --> 01:55:47,840
navy is filmed

2809
01:55:50,950 --> 01:55:50,000
so there's a variety of shapes there's

2810
01:55:53,270 --> 01:55:50,960
uh

2811
01:55:54,870 --> 01:55:53,280
other other shapes that are more hard to

2812
01:56:03,669 --> 01:55:54,880
describe long

2813
01:56:07,669 --> 01:56:05,270
okay we're going to rap in about five

2814
01:56:09,030 --> 01:56:07,679
minutes so people please as you're

2815
01:56:10,870 --> 01:56:09,040
asking the questions just type in all

2816
01:56:12,550 --> 01:56:10,880
caps and please at me so that i can see

2817
01:56:13,669 --> 01:56:12,560
them easily

2818
01:56:15,990 --> 01:56:13,679
travis

2819
01:56:17,589 --> 01:56:16,000
you also talked about a low rumble as

2820
01:56:18,950 --> 01:56:17,599
well as a high-pitched noise when the

2821
01:56:22,550 --> 01:56:18,960
craft came near you do you mind

2822
01:56:24,390 --> 01:56:22,560
repeating and expanding upon it

2823
01:56:27,030 --> 01:56:24,400
well it was um

2824
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:27,040
a frequency that's so low

2825
01:56:31,350 --> 01:56:29,920
you you felt it more than uh

2826
01:56:33,270 --> 01:56:31,360
heard it or

2827
01:56:34,229 --> 01:56:33,280
simultaneously

2828
01:56:37,589 --> 01:56:34,239
um

2829
01:56:38,550 --> 01:56:37,599
and then a really high high pitch to it

2830
01:56:39,990 --> 01:56:38,560
that

2831
01:56:41,990 --> 01:56:40,000
and i'm just talking about the ends of

2832
01:56:43,830 --> 01:56:42,000
the frequency of the

2833
01:56:47,109 --> 01:56:43,840
spectrum of sound

2834
01:56:57,510 --> 01:56:48,550
you also mentioned when the craft was

2835
01:57:02,390 --> 01:57:00,470
uh wind yeah the trees were moving as it

2836
01:57:03,669 --> 01:57:02,400
or perhaps it was when the craft went

2837
01:57:06,470 --> 01:57:03,679
away your friends reported that the

2838
01:57:07,270 --> 01:57:06,480
trees oh wow the craft that left me off

2839
01:57:10,070 --> 01:57:07,280
uh

2840
01:57:13,510 --> 01:57:10,080
created a stir in the air as it passed

2841
01:57:15,109 --> 01:57:13,520
some small limbs close by but

2842
01:57:19,990 --> 01:57:15,119
that wasn't what you experienced that's

2843
01:57:23,990 --> 01:57:21,990
oh right but when the craft dropped you

2844
01:57:26,709 --> 01:57:24,000
off you were able to look and see when i

2845
01:57:29,430 --> 01:57:26,719
was dropped off i was the only

2846
01:57:30,790 --> 01:57:29,440
only person there do you well i assume

2847
01:57:31,910 --> 01:57:30,800
your friends may have been in too much

2848
01:57:33,990 --> 01:57:31,920
of a panic

2849
01:57:35,910 --> 01:57:34,000
to know if there was any strange

2850
01:57:38,950 --> 01:57:35,920
activity when the craft left such as

2851
01:57:41,109 --> 01:57:38,960
extreme wind or a special sound but

2852
01:57:43,430 --> 01:57:41,119
there were other witnesses that saw the

2853
01:57:46,390 --> 01:57:43,440
craft depart that reported it to the

2854
01:57:51,270 --> 01:57:48,149
a man who said his

2855
01:57:53,830 --> 01:57:51,280
his job was military intelligence

2856
01:57:55,589 --> 01:57:53,840
deer hunting with his wife

2857
01:57:57,189 --> 01:57:55,599
still have the

2858
01:57:59,270 --> 01:57:57,199
see back in those days we didn't have

2859
01:58:02,149 --> 01:57:59,280
cell phones a lot of this communication

2860
01:58:04,830 --> 01:58:02,159
came in actual physical letters

2861
01:58:08,229 --> 01:58:04,840
and another one that came

2862
01:58:11,189 --> 01:58:08,239
um both to me and the sheriff

2863
01:58:13,990 --> 01:58:11,199
describing seeing the craft depart

2864
01:58:15,030 --> 01:58:14,000
from closer to black canyon lake which

2865
01:58:17,189 --> 01:58:15,040
is

2866
01:58:19,510 --> 01:58:17,199
near turkey springs

2867
01:58:21,830 --> 01:58:19,520
john doe wants to know ask if he thinks

2868
01:58:23,669 --> 01:58:21,840
it's strange that his buddy had the idea

2869
01:58:25,510 --> 01:58:23,679
of making up a ufo story when they were

2870
01:58:26,550 --> 01:58:25,520
young and then it actually happens to

2871
01:58:29,750 --> 01:58:26,560
him

2872
01:58:30,950 --> 01:58:29,760
so how do you respond to that

2873
01:58:32,550 --> 01:58:30,960
do you think it's strange do you think

2874
01:58:35,030 --> 01:58:32,560
it's a coincidence do you think it's not

2875
01:58:37,030 --> 01:58:35,040
coincidental i think it's an opportunity

2876
01:58:39,830 --> 01:58:37,040
it's an opportunity

2877
01:58:42,870 --> 01:58:39,840
now i don't know if he had to go

2878
01:58:45,270 --> 01:58:42,880
hide his name and and travel around the

2879
01:58:47,910 --> 01:58:45,280
world to avoid being assassinated by the

2880
01:58:50,629 --> 01:58:47,920
fbi that sounds like a pretty wild story

2881
01:58:53,350 --> 01:58:50,639
myself you know but uh maybe it's true

2882
01:58:54,470 --> 01:58:53,360
you know uh some of those characters up

2883
01:58:56,550 --> 01:58:54,480
there are

2884
01:58:59,510 --> 01:58:56,560
pretty um

2885
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:03,510
unethical uh to

2886
01:59:06,870 --> 01:59:05,270
wants to know did it look like the other

2887
01:59:08,950 --> 01:59:06,880
beings were communicating with one

2888
01:59:10,310 --> 01:59:08,960
another in some way such as did they

2889
01:59:12,229 --> 01:59:10,320
look at one another i know they didn't

2890
01:59:13,709 --> 01:59:12,239
speak but did you sense any form of

2891
01:59:15,589 --> 01:59:13,719
talking anymore they did move

2892
01:59:17,669 --> 01:59:15,599
simultaneously

2893
01:59:20,070 --> 01:59:17,679
i didn't see any communication or hand

2894
01:59:22,550 --> 01:59:20,080
signal or anything so

2895
01:59:24,470 --> 01:59:22,560
it was also pretty apparent that i was

2896
01:59:26,310 --> 01:59:24,480
getting ready to attack them

2897
01:59:27,189 --> 01:59:26,320
fight my way past them to get to the

2898
01:59:30,709 --> 01:59:27,199
door

2899
01:59:32,390 --> 01:59:30,719
and so they turned simultaneously

2900
01:59:34,470 --> 01:59:32,400
and departed

2901
01:59:36,310 --> 01:59:34,480
freedom loving fool wants to know travis

2902
01:59:40,149 --> 01:59:36,320
could you see outside the craft could

2903
01:59:42,229 --> 01:59:40,159
you tell if you're underwater or ariel

2904
01:59:44,149 --> 01:59:42,239
no i couldn't tell i could not see

2905
01:59:45,510 --> 01:59:44,159
outside of whether i was underground

2906
01:59:47,270 --> 01:59:45,520
underwater or

2907
01:59:49,750 --> 01:59:47,280
outside the atmosphere

2908
01:59:51,589 --> 01:59:49,760
there was no window of that sort do you

2909
01:59:53,750 --> 01:59:51,599
think the ufo phenomenon has been used

2910
01:59:55,589 --> 01:59:53,760
for psychological warfare

2911
01:59:56,870 --> 01:59:55,599
what do you think of the threat

2912
01:59:58,709 --> 01:59:56,880
narrative that's being pushed in

2913
02:00:01,430 --> 01:59:58,719
mainstream this one comes from freedom

2914
02:00:05,270 --> 02:00:02,870
well i think

2915
02:00:07,430 --> 02:00:05,280
our governments um

2916
02:00:09,510 --> 02:00:07,440
world governments for that matter uh

2917
02:00:11,750 --> 02:00:09,520
take advantage of certain things that

2918
02:00:12,870 --> 02:00:11,760
occur in order to

2919
02:00:14,870 --> 02:00:12,880
shape

2920
02:00:16,070 --> 02:00:14,880
the behavior of populations that's

2921
02:00:18,709 --> 02:00:16,080
pretty common

2922
02:00:22,310 --> 02:00:18,719
and uh in today's world

2923
02:00:23,830 --> 02:00:22,320
they have a wealth of data

2924
02:00:26,550 --> 02:00:23,840
to

2925
02:00:29,510 --> 02:00:26,560
because

2926
02:00:31,510 --> 02:00:29,520
x happens and they almost instantly are

2927
02:00:34,790 --> 02:00:31,520
able to gather

2928
02:00:36,470 --> 02:00:34,800
information on huge numbers of people so

2929
02:00:38,550 --> 02:00:36,480
they can predict

2930
02:00:40,790 --> 02:00:38,560
the the outcome of certain things and

2931
02:00:42,709 --> 02:00:40,800
measure it in ways that gives them a

2932
02:00:44,470 --> 02:00:42,719
power of people who are truly

2933
02:00:46,229 --> 02:00:44,480
underestimating

2934
02:00:47,830 --> 02:00:46,239
do you get many people saying convince

2935
02:00:51,109 --> 02:00:47,840
me convince me of the fact that you were

2936
02:00:55,189 --> 02:00:52,550
i don't care

2937
02:00:57,430 --> 02:00:55,199
you know uh people are willing to listen

2938
02:00:59,350 --> 02:00:57,440
i will give them the facts if they want

2939
02:01:00,709 --> 02:00:59,360
to say oh i don't believe this no matter

2940
02:01:02,470 --> 02:01:00,719
what you know

2941
02:01:12,229 --> 02:01:02,480
uh

2942
02:01:15,589 --> 02:01:12,239
okay fine that totally disqualifies me

2943
02:01:17,430 --> 02:01:15,599
if anybody sees a ufo just say all right

2944
02:01:19,990 --> 02:01:17,440
scratch me up the list

2945
02:01:22,310 --> 02:01:20,000
anything that happens from here on

2946
02:01:25,350 --> 02:01:22,320
no credibility no no nothing and that

2947
02:01:26,310 --> 02:01:25,360
includes not just seeing a ufo anything

2948
02:01:29,109 --> 02:01:26,320
um

2949
02:01:32,149 --> 02:01:29,119
uh seeing a uh beating in the park or

2950
02:01:34,830 --> 02:01:32,159
something of that nature uh well

2951
02:01:37,589 --> 02:01:34,840
oh come on this is a guy who said he saw

2952
02:01:40,310 --> 02:01:37,599
ufo this is a guy who just thinks he saw

2953
02:01:41,910 --> 02:01:40,320
aliens forget him you know

2954
02:01:43,430 --> 02:01:41,920
really there's a part of me that you

2955
02:01:45,430 --> 02:01:43,440
know has

2956
02:01:46,629 --> 02:01:45,440
often thought just walk away from all

2957
02:01:48,629 --> 02:01:46,639
this and just

2958
02:01:50,229 --> 02:01:48,639
you know

2959
02:01:51,589 --> 02:01:50,239
what would you do don't talk about it

2960
02:01:53,109 --> 02:01:51,599
what in your fantasies when you think

2961
02:01:55,430 --> 02:01:53,119
about walking away are you going to an

2962
02:01:58,470 --> 02:01:55,440
island and then drinking from coconuts

2963
02:02:03,669 --> 02:02:01,350
uh just refusing to respond to

2964
02:02:06,790 --> 02:02:03,679
inquiries

2965
02:02:08,470 --> 02:02:06,800
requests for interviews or appearances

2966
02:02:10,070 --> 02:02:08,480
and

2967
02:02:11,589 --> 02:02:10,080
now that should be enough for a while

2968
02:02:14,950 --> 02:02:11,599
that they're not going to get anything

2969
02:02:16,950 --> 02:02:14,960
out of me i got nothing to say

2970
02:02:19,669 --> 02:02:16,960
dynamite biz quits wants to know do any

2971
02:02:21,030 --> 02:02:19,679
pictures that you've seen look like

2972
02:02:22,950 --> 02:02:21,040
what you saw

2973
02:02:24,950 --> 02:02:22,960
so have you seen movies that closely

2974
02:02:28,149 --> 02:02:24,960
resemble the greys or have you seen

2975
02:02:31,350 --> 02:02:28,159
images well yeah generally speaking um

2976
02:02:35,830 --> 02:02:31,360
you know of any resemblances i would

2977
02:02:40,870 --> 02:02:37,109
bazaar

2978
02:02:45,910 --> 02:02:43,030
and

2979
02:02:48,229 --> 02:02:45,920
authorized a model with the plastic

2980
02:02:50,310 --> 02:02:48,239
model with the tear stairs corporation

2981
02:02:52,149 --> 02:02:50,320
is the closest to the craft we

2982
02:02:55,030 --> 02:02:52,159
encountered in the woods

2983
02:02:57,430 --> 02:02:55,040
but um like i said these craft have many

2984
02:02:59,109 --> 02:02:57,440
different shapes and forms and

2985
02:03:01,430 --> 02:02:59,119
if you see more than one you're crazy

2986
02:03:04,310 --> 02:03:01,440
lunatic anyway

2987
02:03:09,030 --> 02:03:04,320
have they done any testing on the

2988
02:03:12,149 --> 02:03:09,830
no

2989
02:03:15,030 --> 02:03:12,159
once the bag got tore open and it was

2990
02:03:16,709 --> 02:03:15,040
considered contaminated that

2991
02:03:18,149 --> 02:03:16,719
i even kept them

2992
02:03:20,070 --> 02:03:18,159
for a while

2993
02:03:23,030 --> 02:03:20,080
in the shed and they got further

2994
02:03:24,310 --> 02:03:23,040
contaminated after that

2995
02:03:26,790 --> 02:03:24,320
so you still have them but they're just

2996
02:03:28,149 --> 02:03:26,800
contaminated

2997
02:03:30,310 --> 02:03:28,159
well i did for a while i don't know

2998
02:03:32,149 --> 02:03:30,320
where they are now

2999
02:03:33,910 --> 02:03:32,159
stefan

3000
02:03:35,430 --> 02:03:33,920
exodus wants to know are you amazed or

3001
02:03:37,109 --> 02:03:35,440
surprised that even after all these

3002
02:03:38,790 --> 02:03:37,119
years and that you've never changed your

3003
02:03:42,470 --> 02:03:38,800
story that people still ask you about

3004
02:03:46,870 --> 02:03:45,109
well it grows and grows and grows you

3005
02:03:48,629 --> 02:03:46,880
know more and more inquiries from

3006
02:03:50,629 --> 02:03:48,639
far-off places

3007
02:03:52,550 --> 02:03:50,639
some i've never heard of some i got to

3008
02:03:55,030 --> 02:03:52,560
check the map to see where that is but

3009
02:03:59,589 --> 02:03:57,350
it's kind of the purpose

3010
02:04:01,589 --> 02:03:59,599
to continue to talk about it is to let

3011
02:04:03,189 --> 02:04:01,599
people know simply

3012
02:04:07,510 --> 02:04:03,199
that it's real

3013
02:04:09,669 --> 02:04:07,520
um these giant black triangles i saw one

3014
02:04:13,189 --> 02:04:09,679
with other witnesses

3015
02:04:14,629 --> 02:04:13,199
15 or 20 actually at least i would love

3016
02:04:16,229 --> 02:04:14,639
to go back and

3017
02:04:18,069 --> 02:04:16,239
get the

3018
02:04:20,069 --> 02:04:18,079
addresses contact information of these

3019
02:04:21,589 --> 02:04:20,079
people and see if any of them took a

3020
02:04:23,750 --> 02:04:21,599
picture

3021
02:04:25,109 --> 02:04:23,760
because my son said dad dad you should

3022
02:04:27,350 --> 02:04:25,119
we pull over and take a picture i go no

3023
02:04:30,069 --> 02:04:27,360
no okay keep going and you know i was

3024
02:04:32,870 --> 02:04:30,079
surprised that i had so much ptsd after

3025
02:04:35,109 --> 02:04:32,880
that much time to to be scared to pull

3026
02:04:38,310 --> 02:04:35,119
over and take a picture i sure wish i

3027
02:04:40,550 --> 02:04:38,320
had but certainly you know 15 20 other

3028
02:04:43,030 --> 02:04:40,560
people reporting in

3029
02:04:45,069 --> 02:04:43,040
to one website

3030
02:04:47,350 --> 02:04:45,079
um

3031
02:04:49,350 --> 02:04:47,360
ufostalker.com i believe is the name of

3032
02:04:52,310 --> 02:04:49,360
it uh they would

3033
02:04:54,390 --> 02:04:52,320
you know get their addresses and see if

3034
02:04:56,470 --> 02:04:54,400
one of them just at least one took a

3035
02:04:58,310 --> 02:04:56,480
photo

3036
02:05:00,390 --> 02:04:58,320
is this the same triangle when you were

3037
02:05:03,669 --> 02:05:00,400
with your wife and your wife had a

3038
02:05:05,350 --> 02:05:03,679
who was pregnant is this the same one

3039
02:05:08,950 --> 02:05:05,360
and

3040
02:05:11,750 --> 02:05:08,960
mispronouncing this name or miss saying

3041
02:05:14,709 --> 02:05:11,760
it rewrite it someone asked a while ago

3042
02:05:15,669 --> 02:05:14,719
did someone name steve

3043
02:05:19,350 --> 02:05:15,679
rear

3044
02:05:23,830 --> 02:05:19,360
not greer steve ride steve reed examine

3045
02:05:30,069 --> 02:05:26,229
i don't know the doctor's name i was in

3046
02:05:31,910 --> 02:05:30,079
the in the room i saw the ultrasound but

3047
02:05:34,629 --> 02:05:31,920
i don't know her doctor's name i'm sure

3048
02:05:35,669 --> 02:05:34,639
she knows has always

3049
02:05:43,910 --> 02:05:35,679
no

3050
02:05:46,069 --> 02:05:43,920
examined her

3051
02:05:49,030 --> 02:05:46,079
he uh

3052
02:05:52,229 --> 02:05:49,040
was involved in researching the case

3053
02:05:58,470 --> 02:05:53,109
but

3054
02:06:04,550 --> 02:06:00,550
when

3055
02:06:07,510 --> 02:06:04,560
she passed the cord and the placenta

3056
02:06:10,069 --> 02:06:07,520
that was um time for the medical people

3057
02:06:12,629 --> 02:06:10,079
the scientists to come in and examine

3058
02:06:14,390 --> 02:06:12,639
and this claim that it was an alien or

3059
02:06:17,669 --> 02:06:14,400
that i said it was an alien it's just a

3060
02:06:20,310 --> 02:06:17,679
damn lie i've never said any such thing

3061
02:06:22,310 --> 02:06:20,320
but see again these are people who are

3062
02:06:24,310 --> 02:06:22,320
in a position to make up a story and

3063
02:06:28,870 --> 02:06:24,320
become an important part of something

3064
02:06:31,030 --> 02:06:28,880
that's worldwide news so yeah he said

3065
02:06:32,790 --> 02:06:31,040
one claim was that i killed the baby

3066
02:06:34,950 --> 02:06:32,800
that i performed an abortion on this

3067
02:06:35,910 --> 02:06:34,960
woman total lie

3068
02:06:36,790 --> 02:06:35,920
you know

3069
02:06:39,189 --> 02:06:36,800
uh

3070
02:06:41,270 --> 02:06:39,199
i am totally anti-abortion i don't care

3071
02:06:44,790 --> 02:06:41,280
who knows it uh

3072
02:06:46,950 --> 02:06:44,800
and i was uh trained as a midwife

3073
02:06:49,990 --> 02:06:46,960
uh as i said

3074
02:06:51,430 --> 02:06:50,000
second highest score out of 40 people

3075
02:06:54,470 --> 02:06:51,440
um

3076
02:06:57,109 --> 02:06:54,480
i would never in this world dream of

3077
02:07:00,390 --> 02:06:57,119
performing an abortion that's just

3078
02:07:01,270 --> 02:07:00,400
uh i've delivered a number of babies

3079
02:07:04,229 --> 02:07:01,280
uh

3080
02:07:06,149 --> 02:07:04,239
the claim that i

3081
02:07:09,430 --> 02:07:06,159
you know killed this baby because it was

3082
02:07:11,270 --> 02:07:09,440
half alien was just a wild claim gets

3083
02:07:12,390 --> 02:07:11,280
attention that's what it's that's what

3084
02:07:15,270 --> 02:07:12,400
it's all about

3085
02:07:17,510 --> 02:07:15,280
something that got the news is out there

3086
02:07:20,470 --> 02:07:17,520
get my two cents worth in look at me

3087
02:07:21,350 --> 02:07:20,480
look at me i knew travis in the past you

3088
02:07:23,669 --> 02:07:21,360
know

3089
02:07:26,390 --> 02:07:23,679
i dated my uh

3090
02:07:27,910 --> 02:07:26,400
with his friend or whatever

3091
02:07:29,669 --> 02:07:27,920
travis where can people find out more

3092
02:07:33,990 --> 02:07:29,679
about you

3093
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:37,750
what's next for you

3094
02:07:44,950 --> 02:07:41,510
um

3095
02:07:51,109 --> 02:07:48,470
big budget remake of fire in the sky

3096
02:07:53,270 --> 02:07:51,119
it's their idea and i'm all for it

3097
02:07:55,189 --> 02:07:53,280
because i'd love to straighten out a few

3098
02:07:57,910 --> 02:07:55,199
things you know there's some

3099
02:07:58,790 --> 02:07:57,920
misconceptions about what happened

3100
02:08:00,629 --> 02:07:58,800
uh

3101
02:08:02,790 --> 02:08:00,639
people have come to

3102
02:08:03,910 --> 02:08:02,800
um

3103
02:08:06,149 --> 02:08:03,920
based on

3104
02:08:08,790 --> 02:08:06,159
the movie i think the movie was a huge

3105
02:08:11,510 --> 02:08:08,800
accomplishment in terms of breaking down

3106
02:08:13,510 --> 02:08:11,520
people's resistance to the idea that it

3107
02:08:17,270 --> 02:08:13,520
could happen because they were sort of

3108
02:08:19,910 --> 02:08:17,280
vicariously able to live it themselves

3109
02:08:21,830 --> 02:08:19,920
but i always try to warn people don't

3110
02:08:23,189 --> 02:08:21,840
don't treat it as a documentary it was

3111
02:08:24,069 --> 02:08:23,199
entertainment

3112
02:08:27,669 --> 02:08:24,079
and

3113
02:08:29,510 --> 02:08:27,679
hollywood does that sort of thing so

3114
02:08:30,870 --> 02:08:29,520
i'm going to try to keep

3115
02:08:33,750 --> 02:08:30,880
retain

3116
02:08:35,910 --> 02:08:33,760
the script approval this time around

3117
02:08:37,990 --> 02:08:35,920
and tim has one last question travis do

3118
02:08:41,030 --> 02:08:38,000
you recall seeing any symbols signs or

3119
02:08:43,990 --> 02:08:41,040
writings on the walls floor ceilings

3120
02:08:49,510 --> 02:08:47,109
good question but uh no no symbols of

3121
02:08:51,990 --> 02:08:49,520
any kind

3122
02:08:54,470 --> 02:08:52,000
no numbers no letters

3123
02:08:57,350 --> 02:08:54,480
or anything that would

3124
02:08:58,790 --> 02:08:57,360
suggest such a thing

3125
02:09:02,390 --> 02:08:58,800
all right man

3126
02:09:06,790 --> 02:09:04,629
well thank you the discussion with

3127
02:09:08,709 --> 02:09:06,800
travis has now concluded

3128
02:09:10,709 --> 02:09:08,719
and there's a five-minute addendum with

3129
02:09:13,030 --> 02:09:10,719
amjad hussein who has sponsored this

3130
02:09:14,470 --> 02:09:13,040
podcast via his company algo we're

3131
02:09:17,589 --> 02:09:14,480
cutting right into the middle of a

3132
02:09:18,629 --> 02:09:17,599
discussion we had on the topic of ufos i

3133
02:09:20,390 --> 02:09:18,639
wasn't sure

3134
02:09:21,990 --> 02:09:20,400
should i continue going down this path

3135
02:09:24,790 --> 02:09:22,000
and you said that you were interested in

3136
02:09:24,800 --> 02:09:28,149
what's your interest in them

3137
02:09:35,109 --> 02:09:31,830
yeah no first of all uh gary

3138
02:09:36,790 --> 02:09:35,119
one thing that i want to say is that

3139
02:09:40,069 --> 02:09:36,800
the way you

3140
02:09:41,910 --> 02:09:40,079
approach these topics and

3141
02:09:43,589 --> 02:09:41,920
connect with people

3142
02:09:45,510 --> 02:09:43,599
you have a way to

3143
02:09:47,430 --> 02:09:45,520
connect at a deeper

3144
02:09:49,030 --> 02:09:47,440
human level so that

3145
02:09:50,550 --> 02:09:49,040
definitely is a gift

3146
02:09:53,030 --> 02:09:50,560
gift that you have

3147
02:09:53,990 --> 02:09:53,040
uh that is how i got attracted

3148
02:09:57,030 --> 02:09:54,000
uh

3149
02:09:58,790 --> 02:09:57,040
to you and your podcast and

3150
02:10:00,550 --> 02:09:58,800
that genuine

3151
02:10:03,669 --> 02:10:00,560
curiosity

3152
02:10:07,350 --> 02:10:03,679
intellectual honesty and

3153
02:10:08,870 --> 02:10:07,360
and and going deeper and that was

3154
02:10:09,990 --> 02:10:08,880
and remains to be

3155
02:10:11,990 --> 02:10:10,000
my

3156
02:10:14,470 --> 02:10:12,000
excitement about

3157
02:10:17,189 --> 02:10:14,480
you and the brand and the gift i would

3158
02:10:19,430 --> 02:10:17,199
say that you bring up to

3159
02:10:20,950 --> 02:10:19,440
the universe my

3160
02:10:22,069 --> 02:10:20,960
fascination

3161
02:10:24,870 --> 02:10:22,079
uh

3162
02:10:26,830 --> 02:10:24,880
with ufos just come from

3163
02:10:29,030 --> 02:10:26,840
i am

3164
02:10:30,390 --> 02:10:29,040
curious and

3165
02:10:31,990 --> 02:10:30,400
uh

3166
02:10:33,750 --> 02:10:32,000
quite some time ago

3167
02:10:35,830 --> 02:10:33,760
you know uh

3168
02:10:38,390 --> 02:10:35,840
i watched this

3169
02:10:39,990 --> 02:10:38,400
carl sagan movie contact

3170
02:10:42,069 --> 02:10:40,000
and i uh

3171
02:10:43,090 --> 02:10:42,079
since then you know have been thinking

3172
02:10:44,950 --> 02:10:43,100
about that are there

3173
02:10:46,390 --> 02:10:44,960
[Music]

3174
02:10:47,830 --> 02:10:46,400
intelligent life

3175
02:10:49,270 --> 02:10:47,840
elsewhere and

3176
02:10:51,350 --> 02:10:49,280
whatnot

3177
02:10:54,830 --> 02:10:51,360
and then uh

3178
02:10:57,270 --> 02:10:54,840
for a while i was not very serious about

3179
02:11:00,550 --> 02:10:57,280
uh the

3180
02:11:02,470 --> 02:11:00,560
entire ufo phenomenon and whatnot

3181
02:11:05,109 --> 02:11:02,480
but then

3182
02:11:08,149 --> 02:11:05,119
some serious-minded people who have

3183
02:11:11,589 --> 02:11:08,159
other professional lives and careers who

3184
02:11:15,830 --> 02:11:11,599
were not out there hunting for ufos

3185
02:11:18,069 --> 02:11:15,840
like this navy command commander uh dave

3186
02:11:19,270 --> 02:11:18,079
forward i might be pushing his last

3187
02:11:22,229 --> 02:11:19,280
driver

3188
02:11:24,870 --> 02:11:22,239
when he started talking about his

3189
02:11:27,750 --> 02:11:24,880
observations and when they were on those

3190
02:11:29,589 --> 02:11:27,760
missions uh off of the coast of san

3191
02:11:31,830 --> 02:11:29,599
diego

3192
02:11:34,229 --> 02:11:31,840
i started saying to myself that look you

3193
02:11:36,310 --> 02:11:34,239
know there must be something to it he

3194
02:11:40,149 --> 02:11:36,320
has absolutely

3195
02:11:42,629 --> 02:11:40,159
nothing to gain no reasons to lie

3196
02:11:44,229 --> 02:11:42,639
he's so rational minded

3197
02:11:45,990 --> 02:11:44,239
he's a

3198
02:11:47,350 --> 02:11:46,000
trained trained

3199
02:11:50,310 --> 02:11:47,360
navy

3200
02:11:53,589 --> 02:11:50,320
pilot with all the training and he has

3201
02:11:55,990 --> 02:11:53,599
this training to keep his mind together

3202
02:11:58,709 --> 02:11:56,000
in extreme circumstances

3203
02:12:01,430 --> 02:11:58,719
so then for him to observe something

3204
02:12:04,629 --> 02:12:01,440
there must be something to that so that

3205
02:12:07,589 --> 02:12:04,639
is kind of how i got

3206
02:12:10,550 --> 02:12:07,599
started into that and then from there

3207
02:12:11,510 --> 02:12:10,560
i took it upon myself kurt just to

3208
02:12:14,310 --> 02:12:11,520
read

3209
02:12:16,709 --> 02:12:14,320
everything that is out there

3210
02:12:18,870 --> 02:12:16,719
good bad in between

3211
02:12:21,669 --> 02:12:18,880
putting my judgment aside

3212
02:12:23,910 --> 02:12:21,679
um and then i also learned in that

3213
02:12:26,229 --> 02:12:23,920
process that

3214
02:12:27,830 --> 02:12:26,239
in north america

3215
02:12:28,950 --> 02:12:27,840
ufology

3216
02:12:31,270 --> 02:12:28,960
is a

3217
02:12:33,910 --> 02:12:31,280
religion almost a new age religion as

3218
02:12:34,870 --> 02:12:33,920
well where you know

3219
02:12:36,629 --> 02:12:34,880
around

3220
02:12:40,069 --> 02:12:36,639
different phenomena

3221
02:12:41,990 --> 02:12:40,079
uh for different sightings

3222
02:12:42,950 --> 02:12:42,000
people have developed

3223
02:12:45,669 --> 02:12:42,960
you know

3224
02:12:47,669 --> 02:12:45,679
culture and curves and

3225
02:12:50,470 --> 02:12:47,679
rituals and

3226
02:12:52,629 --> 02:12:50,480
communities and societies and

3227
02:12:57,030 --> 02:12:52,639
uh and it seems

3228
02:12:59,430 --> 02:12:57,040
uh very sort of correlated with how

3229
02:13:02,629 --> 02:12:59,440
you know other ideas or

3230
02:13:05,109 --> 02:13:02,639
micro religions or communities develop

3231
02:13:06,229 --> 02:13:05,119
so i just found that very fascinating

3232
02:13:08,550 --> 02:13:06,239
that how

3233
02:13:10,709 --> 02:13:08,560
the ufology community

3234
02:13:12,629 --> 02:13:10,719
is very protective of their ideas and

3235
02:13:14,550 --> 02:13:12,639
how they come together

3236
02:13:17,510 --> 02:13:14,560
quite interestingly and totally

3237
02:13:20,069 --> 02:13:17,520
unrelated to the topic of ufology

3238
02:13:22,310 --> 02:13:20,079
uh there is these days this bitcoin

3239
02:13:25,350 --> 02:13:22,320
community and they are very protective

3240
02:13:27,990 --> 02:13:25,360
of the bitcoin religion and the bitcoin

3241
02:13:32,310 --> 02:13:28,000
ideas and all that stuff and they

3242
02:13:35,350 --> 02:13:32,320
if you ask questions they attack you

3243
02:13:38,149 --> 02:13:35,360
they are very very protective of

3244
02:13:40,470 --> 02:13:38,159
that sort of thing so i just find it

3245
02:13:42,950 --> 02:13:40,480
interesting to see how these communities

3246
02:13:46,069 --> 02:13:42,960
uh develop so there is no like you know

3247
02:13:52,629 --> 02:13:49,589
deep answered as to how i got into ufos

3248
02:13:54,870 --> 02:13:52,639
but i just you know it

3249
02:13:57,830 --> 02:13:54,880
peaks my interest and it would be

3250
02:13:59,830 --> 02:13:57,840
awesome to find out that there are other

3251
02:14:01,270 --> 02:13:59,840
you know

3252
02:14:04,390 --> 02:14:01,280
beings

3253
02:14:05,189 --> 02:14:04,400
you know other forms of consciousness

3254
02:14:07,910 --> 02:14:05,199
and

3255
02:14:10,069 --> 02:14:07,920
can we learn something from them

3256
02:14:12,470 --> 02:14:10,079
those types of things i have heard

3257
02:14:13,830 --> 02:14:12,480
others talk about that

3258
02:14:15,669 --> 02:14:13,840
probably

3259
02:14:18,310 --> 02:14:15,679
if there is a phenomenon there is an

3260
02:14:21,189 --> 02:14:19,750
we are

3261
02:14:23,270 --> 02:14:21,199
encountering

3262
02:14:24,390 --> 02:14:23,280
some alien technology

3263
02:14:27,430 --> 02:14:24,400
or

3264
02:14:29,990 --> 02:14:27,440
their creations versus alien themselves

3265
02:14:32,790 --> 02:14:30,000
and the argument is that

3266
02:14:35,750 --> 02:14:32,800
if we send a probe out there and whatnot

3267
02:14:37,669 --> 02:14:35,760
it's very likely that somebody is going

3268
02:14:39,109 --> 02:14:37,679
to first run into a technology that

3269
02:14:42,790 --> 02:14:39,119
humans send out

3270
02:14:45,669 --> 02:14:42,800
uh or our space junk or you know what

3271
02:14:48,390 --> 02:14:45,679
have you uh but now it was just an

3272
02:14:51,350 --> 02:14:48,400
intellectual curiosity uh

3273
02:14:52,790 --> 02:14:51,360
when i saw those navy folks talking

3274
02:14:55,270 --> 02:14:52,800
about it i said well there must be

3275
02:14:56,950 --> 02:14:55,280
something to it i shouldn't just

3276
02:14:59,430 --> 02:14:56,960
just because i don't know anything about

3277
02:15:02,310 --> 02:14:59,440
it and the topic sounds too fringe to

3278
02:15:04,149 --> 02:15:02,320
absurd let's just totally discount it

3279
02:15:05,350 --> 02:15:04,159
without looking into it so i just

3280
02:15:08,629 --> 02:15:05,360
started

3281
02:15:10,629 --> 02:15:08,639
studying it that was sort of my uh

3282
02:15:13,589 --> 02:15:10,639
uh entry into

3283
02:15:15,350 --> 02:15:13,599
uh studying ufo and then i found that

3284
02:15:16,390 --> 02:15:15,360
all kind of people

3285
02:15:19,750 --> 02:15:16,400
from

3286
02:15:23,109 --> 02:15:19,760
scientists to religious philosophers and

3287
02:15:26,229 --> 02:15:23,119
people in between uh

3288
02:15:27,669 --> 02:15:26,239
you know are part of that are part of

3289
02:15:30,149 --> 02:15:27,679
that community

3290
02:15:32,950 --> 02:15:30,159
so what are your conclusions now

3291
02:15:35,910 --> 02:15:32,960
are you still formulating them

3292
02:15:38,069 --> 02:15:35,920
no there are no there are no conclusions

3293
02:15:40,069 --> 02:15:38,079
i think

3294
02:15:41,109 --> 02:15:40,079
a lot of people would say

3295
02:15:47,910 --> 02:15:41,119
uh

3296
02:15:51,510 --> 02:15:47,920
were talking to

3297
02:15:53,830 --> 02:15:51,520
a few months ago with avi lowe

3298
02:15:56,709 --> 02:15:53,840
and there are many others like avi who

3299
02:16:01,270 --> 02:15:56,719
you know avi is open to ideas of

3300
02:16:03,669 --> 02:16:01,280
hey um probably is you know not uh

3301
02:16:06,229 --> 02:16:03,679
nitrogen frozen nitrogen or some other

3302
02:16:08,310 --> 02:16:06,239
thing it is probably some alien

3303
02:16:10,069 --> 02:16:08,320
junk or alien technology or whatever so

3304
02:16:13,270 --> 02:16:10,079
he's open to i mean he has put his

3305
02:16:15,109 --> 02:16:13,280
career at risk in that sense uh but even

3306
02:16:16,470 --> 02:16:15,119
he said uh

3307
02:16:18,709 --> 02:16:16,480
nah you know when you asked him that

3308
02:16:20,390 --> 02:16:18,719
question regarding ufos he said well you

3309
02:16:22,870 --> 02:16:20,400
know there is no evidence for it you

3310
02:16:24,709 --> 02:16:22,880
know we should scientifically study it

3311
02:16:27,270 --> 02:16:24,719
so people who are a lot more

3312
02:16:29,189 --> 02:16:27,280
scientifically minded even the likes of

3313
02:16:30,830 --> 02:16:29,199
avi

3314
02:16:33,190 --> 02:16:30,840
they are not very

3315
02:16:34,549 --> 02:16:33,200
uh sort of you know

3316
02:16:37,030 --> 02:16:34,559
ufo

3317
02:16:38,150 --> 02:16:37,040
friendly they don't think that the

3318
02:16:40,070 --> 02:16:38,160
evidence

3319
02:16:43,669 --> 02:16:40,080
that is out there

3320
02:16:46,709 --> 02:16:43,679
convinces them enough uh so i always try

3321
02:16:49,030 --> 02:16:46,719
to say well can i you know look at what

3322
02:16:51,910 --> 02:16:49,040
people who are a lot more disciplined

3323
02:16:53,110 --> 02:16:51,920
and smarter about than i am what do they

3324
02:16:55,830 --> 02:16:53,120
think

3325
02:16:59,030 --> 02:16:55,840
so i yet have to find

3326
02:17:01,030 --> 02:16:59,040
real professional career scientists who

3327
02:17:02,950 --> 02:17:01,040
think that

3328
02:17:06,230 --> 02:17:02,960
that is the plausible explanation they

3329
02:17:08,150 --> 02:17:06,240
think other explanations you know are

3330
02:17:09,429 --> 02:17:08,160
plausible and possible and that kind of

3331
02:17:11,030 --> 02:17:09,439
a thing

3332
02:17:12,629 --> 02:17:11,040
so i am still

3333
02:17:16,070 --> 02:17:12,639
looking studying

3334
02:17:18,389 --> 02:17:16,080
uh searching i also heard think about it

3335
02:17:20,469 --> 02:17:18,399
that has it to do something with

3336
02:17:23,190 --> 02:17:20,479
consciousness and

3337
02:17:24,150 --> 02:17:23,200
uh psychedelic type experiences where

3338
02:17:26,230 --> 02:17:24,160
people

3339
02:17:28,230 --> 02:17:26,240
you know when they are under the

3340
02:17:30,389 --> 02:17:28,240
influence of bmt molecules or other

3341
02:17:33,270 --> 02:17:30,399
things like that they say well you know

3342
02:17:36,309 --> 02:17:33,280
i went there and i went here and i met

3343
02:17:37,990 --> 02:17:36,319
so and so and whatnot and uh

3344
02:17:39,030 --> 02:17:38,000
and then you know is there something

3345
02:17:41,669 --> 02:17:39,040
like a

3346
02:17:43,669 --> 02:17:41,679
shared consciousness or something like

3347
02:17:46,389 --> 02:17:43,679
that where there is a

3348
02:17:47,750 --> 02:17:46,399
network uh for conscious beings to come

3349
02:17:50,389 --> 02:17:47,760
together

3350
02:17:53,830 --> 02:17:50,399
uh because physics is physics even in

3351
02:17:55,910 --> 02:17:53,840
the uh uh the u.s navy sort of sightings

3352
02:17:56,790 --> 02:17:55,920
that hey you know

3353
02:17:59,669 --> 02:17:56,800
those

3354
02:18:03,509 --> 02:17:59,679
objects they were defying the

3355
02:18:06,549 --> 02:18:03,519
our physical reality well uh maybe that

3356
02:18:07,349 --> 02:18:06,559
means they you know uh

3357
02:18:10,469 --> 02:18:07,359
are

3358
02:18:13,190 --> 02:18:10,479
holograms or images of some sort or what

3359
02:18:14,230 --> 02:18:13,200
have you there is definitely something

3360
02:18:15,030 --> 02:18:14,240
to it

3361
02:18:17,270 --> 02:18:15,040
uh

3362
02:18:19,669 --> 02:18:17,280
so i think it needs to be just studied a

3363
02:18:22,790 --> 02:18:19,679
lot more and

3364
02:18:25,589 --> 02:18:22,800
that is what i would say so my quest uh

3365
02:18:28,629 --> 02:18:25,599
as a student

3366
02:18:30,549 --> 02:18:28,639
as a layperson

3367
02:18:32,469 --> 02:18:30,559
continues

3368
02:18:34,230 --> 02:18:32,479
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3369
02:18:38,469 --> 02:18:34,240
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3370
02:18:41,030 --> 02:18:38,479
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3371
02:18:43,190 --> 02:18:41,040
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3372
02:18:45,270 --> 02:18:43,200
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3373
02:18:47,830 --> 02:18:45,280
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3374
02:18:49,669 --> 02:18:47,840
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